Origins Of The Universe.

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Is there an origin.

Or

Is that, just man's way of thinking that there is an origin.

We have many theories as to the origin and there are varies theories telling us there is no Origin and that the universe is infinite.

With all the modern scientists and astronomers and cosmologists and the many telsecopes on earth and outer sapce, you would think that a common thought as to the origin of the universe would develope.

Long time ago I was brain washed into the Big Bang and there was no way people could talk me out of it. They presented the Big Bang in such a way that I believed every part, because it was so logical and supported widely and became the standard model.

I'm not here trying to talk you out of the Big Bang, just advising people to look at modern observations and papers that expalin the universe.

In my opinion, the universe is ongoing and recycles, that is the parts within the universe and not the universe itself.

Some parts are expanding and others are contracting, forming clusters of stars, clusters of galaxies, clusters of clusters forming super cluster of galaxies.

What about the so called expansion of the universe. They say it expands in time and space but! not the actual expansion in actual distance.

What are your thoughts?

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I came across this link as to the origin of our solar system

http://www.omatumr.com/abstracts2005/The_Suns_Origin.pdf

There is great evidence for the big bang, but even the big bang theory doesn't actually explain the universe's origins.

So we poke and peek, guess and test until something is consistent with everything else we know. One issue here, however, is that these questions exists at the limits of our technological and political-economic means to test theories. So likely, you aren't going to get an answer anytime soon, if at all in your lifetime.

Personally, i'm thinking the universe is a finite bit on an infinite background. That's out of my arse, so i don't plan on backing that pablum up.

Out of your arse and childrens mouths......sounds about right to me

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We know the position of Uranus.

But! it does not stop us from discussing the issues.

Because I'm right and everybody else is wrong.
When everybody else is right than I'm wrong.


So! we have an infinite universe, with its internal parts, doing what they know best.
Forming stars
Forming galaxies
colliding together.
Forming clusters of galaxies
In a never ending story of reycling.
The deeper we see into space the more we find and sometimes we discover new objects that test our abilty and knowledge.

Man always wants to know where and when did it all start.

There was never a start and there will never be and end.

Its always been here in one form or another matter if that matters.

Hi Harry,

I'll return the courtesy from the infinity thread.

I think you are quite right to ask whether it even matters. We should not be here arguing with each other, but simply enjoying the view!

You know my outlook. Infinite Space, with pockets of 'finite space', of which we are a tiny part, and we call 'universe(s)'. This is scietifically backed up by the WSM theory, but the 'science' doesn't particularly interest me. It is just further physical proof of what we all already know. I already find such proof, in a stroll through the forest.


This is actually great news, or it would be, if it were not for the fact that Humans are also so very close to destroying, unconsciously, the great beauty that is the ability of this Universe to use its evolved consciousness to contemplate its own 'mysteries'; the ability of this Universe to use its evolved consciousness to share its love with other parts of itself; the ability of this Universe to use its evolved consciousness to look back through its spacial self, to a time many billions of years previously when it created such beauty that we can still observe, and appreciate, today.

This is incredible, when you seriously think about it! - And that is what we should be doing, instead of arguing about trivia.

The only good reason to discuss it at all, is to stop ourselves unconsciously destroying such beauty, or even to be able to show ourselves that it IS beauty, at all. When you know that you are part of this Infinite Spacial Beauty, it becomes worth all the effort it took to reach this 'knowing', and worth all the effort to bring this consciousness to others, so that they stop destroying it, and start enjoying it, and encourage their children to consciously enjoy, and not unconsciously destroy...


So, there it is. Reason, purpose and motivation.


k.

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Hello Mr Knot

Smile,,,,,,,,,,,,I think we should blow the earth up.
Than we shall know its value.

Somebody asked me what theories are discussed as per the origin of the universe.

M- theory
String theory
Big Bang
Steady state
Plasma
Static
Wave theory
Creation
Recycle Theory
and my theory under construction.
am!!! did I forget any

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Found this link

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap960109.html

This question of,,,,,,,,,,,,,Is the universe expanding? is so critical to the theory of the Big Bang.

Even so, the Big Bang says that, time/space is expanding but! not the actual distance.
Work that one out.

It is difficult if not impossible to conceive of an endlessness to space or whatever name one wishes to use. Infinity, infinite- are words which have meaning, however they are also words which we cannot really relate to since all that is known to us has a beginning an an end. Our own lives are but a fraction of the time in history. Our own lives are also a very very small fraction of time,(permission requested to use the term 'time', that science has revealed concerning the existance of humans on the planet earth. Isn't it true that if we pinch our thumb and index finger together tightly, that space still doesn't give us a reasonable concept of our 'time' in existance. More to come. Responses most welcome. Speculation also most welcome.

you know you're onto something when uncle sam intervenes

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Man,,,,,,,,,,,what is your point.

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I have been asked to focus on the Origins of the universe.

Lets look at the Steady state. What I believe in and what is truth are two different things. So with that in mind keep your mind open.

RUFUS'S GALAXY WEB PAGE
The Steady State Galaxy Theory
An Alternative To
The Big Bang Theory

http://www.galaxytheory.com/#INT

Is it right or is wrong.
The information is out there, use the observation, test the theory and study it.
In the past people were caught in a wave of facts and figures and entrusted others to tell them the truth.

Recently two scientists were givem Nobel prize for fininding evidence that proves the Big Bang. The question is do we except this and if we do, do we entrust these people in leading us maybe up the garden parth.

How can we even question the evidence when the world has accepted the evidence.
http://www.nasa.gov/vision/universe/starsg...ize_mather.html


You want the truth, look for it, and never, never, ever take a persons word for it.
Many Nobel prize winners have proven to be wrong in later years.


In the next post I will give a point of view on The Big Bang

This post has been edited by Harry Costas on Oct 9 2006, 01:00 PM

At the centre of each galaxy is a super-massive black hole. In a spiral galaxy it looks as though the rest of the galaxy built around it. Rather than the idiot and unlikely dark matter which just happens to coincide with light matter though it is said to outnumber it 400 to 1, it is more likely that we have the theory of gravity wrong on a galactic or bigger scale.


I have come back to the steady state theory as the big bang has had to rely on ever more unlikely fudges to hold it together.

Guest Sam. Space does not have to be infinite. If there is literally nothing outside the Universe, then the Universe is it. Space is very finite.

Harry Costas. According to the BB idea, there was first faster than light 10^20c)inflation which suddenly slowed down to below light speed inflation, which then several billion years ago suddenly started to expand faster. The edge of what we can see now is expanding at almost light speed (ie: the further something is away, the faster it expands), but that is from over 13 billion years ago so has it reached an ultimate speed or another ten billion light years further away, is material expanmding at multiples of light speed?

Another point. Space is actually said to be stretching. This means from about a point source, magnitudes smaller than an electron, space has stretched to tens of billions of light years. This without any effect on the nuclear forces, the speed of light, the force of gravity, etc.