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| Nick |
Posted: Jul 24 2006, 08:13 AM
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If the universe is closed as Einstein would have it it would be the surface of an ever expanding hypersphere. We are moving away from the center of this four dimensional hypersphere and this movement(expansion) is time(sigma.)
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| Contrarian |
Posted: Jul 24 2006, 10:55 AM
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I thought time was the 4th dimension in a relativistic (non Euclidean) universe?
Is this another time dimension? The idea of time as motion I approve of, but how to model it? |
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| amrit |
Posted: Jul 24 2006, 11:23 AM
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THE ONLY TIME EXISTS IS INNER TIME ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2770 Joined: 17-March 05 Positive Feedback: 30.86% Feedback Score: -203 |
The idea of time as motion I approve of, but how to model it?
all is done already: in physical formulas symbol t mens duration of motion of particles and massive bodies into space. important to understand that movement does not happen into time movement happens into space only movement tiself is time time is what we measure with clocks with clocks we measure duration of motion into space -------------------- The universe is in a continuous change. A change n gets transformed into a change n+1, the change n+1 into a change n+2 and so on. Clocks measure a frequency, velocity and numerical order of change. Changes do not occur in time, changes occur in space only. Time is not a part of space. In the space there is no past and no future. Past and future belong to the inner time that is a result of neuronal activity of the brain.
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| AlphaNumeric |
Posted: Jul 24 2006, 11:32 AM
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Our universe has 3 spacial dimensions but 4 dimensions in total, so the 3d space can be a surface of a 4 dimensional entity, hence why things like space-time curvature something don't make intuitive sense to us when we think in 3d because it curves in a way you can't physically imagine. As someone has already pointed out to Nick, Einstein didn't have much to say about the open or closed nature of the universe, it depends on the value of the cosmological constant and there was much confusion around Einstein's time about that. -------------------- The views in the above post are those of its author and not those of the people who educated him through a degree and masters, supervised him or collaborated with him during his PhD, paid him to teach and mark undergraduate mathematics and physics courses or who pay him to do research now.
Any insults, flames or rants are purely the work of the author and not said people or institutions. Cranks are not suffered well. |
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| Confused2 |
Posted: Jul 24 2006, 11:46 AM
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From Nick's proposition.. that the universe is closed..
I think you have to hunt through the science words and just hope to find the concept behind the question. This is my attempt.. Take a 3D picture of the universe at one instant .. take another an instant later .. the pictures are not the same but they are not expanding, repeat until satisfied. Even if the universe were not closed the sequence of pictures would not fall within my definition of a hypersphere. -C2. -------------------- Anything completed in less than twenty years is likely to be hurried and unsatisfying.
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| amrit |
Posted: Jul 24 2006, 12:15 PM
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X4 = i x t x c
t is a simbol that give us duration of motion X4 is spatial X4 is not temporal -------------------- The universe is in a continuous change. A change n gets transformed into a change n+1, the change n+1 into a change n+2 and so on. Clocks measure a frequency, velocity and numerical order of change. Changes do not occur in time, changes occur in space only. Time is not a part of space. In the space there is no past and no future. Past and future belong to the inner time that is a result of neuronal activity of the brain.
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| rpenner |
Posted: Jul 24 2006, 05:59 PM
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Nick isn't the first to take the Balloon model (frequently used to explain Hubble expansion) too seriously. GR doesn't even assume that the universe is embedded in a higher-dimensional space-time -- the curvature is intrinsic. GR certainly doesn't demand that the space of the universe has a topological equivalence to S^3 ( in analogy to the balloon's surface of S^2 ). This post has been edited by rpenner on Jul 24 2006, 06:00 PM -------------------- 愛平兎仏主
"And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus." Philippians 4:7 It's just good Netiquette. Failing that, Chlorpromazine. |
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| amrit |
Posted: Jul 25 2006, 05:24 AM
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universe is to big
man will never define the size of the universe -------------------- The universe is in a continuous change. A change n gets transformed into a change n+1, the change n+1 into a change n+2 and so on. Clocks measure a frequency, velocity and numerical order of change. Changes do not occur in time, changes occur in space only. Time is not a part of space. In the space there is no past and no future. Past and future belong to the inner time that is a result of neuronal activity of the brain.
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| Zarabtul |
Posted: Jul 25 2006, 08:36 AM
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There still seems to be some confusion as to the cosmological constant if we are using seconds which vary quite abundantly. Tis I see as a big problem though i think they have put thought into it and are taking in all gravitational forces I don't feel we'll ever make our potential if we keep this up. I especially liked the part about people not understanding how the fourth dimension curves. Neat to picture... -------------------- Andrew Strasser
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| amrit |
Posted: Aug 19 2006, 06:26 AM
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fourth dimension is spatial and not temporal
curvature of space is determinated by its density...................... -------------------- The universe is in a continuous change. A change n gets transformed into a change n+1, the change n+1 into a change n+2 and so on. Clocks measure a frequency, velocity and numerical order of change. Changes do not occur in time, changes occur in space only. Time is not a part of space. In the space there is no past and no future. Past and future belong to the inner time that is a result of neuronal activity of the brain.
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