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Who thinks this program is in the right?
Save the mouse, take 150 billion if you have to! [ 4 ]  [25.00%]
Forget the mouse, there are more important things to take care of! [ 6 ]  [37.50%]
What's this mouse thing you're referring to? [ 3 ]  [18.75%]
What's $150,000,000? [ 3 ]  [18.75%]
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QUOTE (Steveo @ Jun 9 2006, 02:45 PM)
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Physics degrees can be applied to every single scientific field I know. I am currently working at a facility that develops proprietary software for the nutritional aspect of universities and hospitals. I work primarily with computers but it was still the degree that got me the job.


I am probably going to get my masters degree, and then go work in the semi conductor industry. I am in the process of doing a 16 month (have 3 months left) co-op at the National Institute for Nanotechnology in Canada. I have got a lot of fabrication experience and worked with some amazing researchers.

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I graduated high school with a 99 (out of 100) and left college with a 3.6 (out of 4).
I worked my *** off, hence my ultra-conservative (nay, libertarian) stance on life. No one gave me ANYTHING, I worked for everything I now have. If I can go from where I was to where I am now, anyone can. Everything else is just an excuse.


That is such bullsh!t. Of course success takes hard work, but to offhand dismiss knowing the right person, befriending the right professor, or something else to get a foot in the door is not right. I am doing well in my position. I feel I deserve the opportunity that I got, however I would not have gotten this if 1. I didn't impress one of my lab ta's with my apptitude for electronics, and 2. if I didn't participate in intramural hockey with the professor I am working for (in which I was a leader as an undergraduate student of a team consisting of professors and graduate students and post docs). A friend of mine with a better academic record than me applied for the same program and didn't even get an interview for the position I got. I have also talked to many people in industry, and its known that if two people have the same skills, the person who knows the right people (i.e. better references) will be given the job. This is usually nothing more than luck, or taking advantage of a fortunate opportunity put in front of them. If you look at the statistics, people growing up in poverty are more likely to remain in poverty. Is this because they are lazy? Hell no. Every worked a construction job? Many of these people work harder than you can imagine, but don't get out of poverty. There just maybe something else to it. I am glad you are finding success, because I am sure you deserve it, but don't think for a minute that anyone can find the same success with just using some elbow grease.

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Two ton bombs is the only way we will EVER win the war in Iraq. Kill them all....

KAAAABOOOOOOOOM!!!!

lol


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(Go cranky man, go! Drop them bombs!)


These are two of the most ridiculous statements I have ever heard, and I hope they are both in Jest. First of all, I thought the war in Iraq was over and that America had won?? I thought your only their now to help them establish a democracy. Guess I am a little bit confused here.

But the more important thing, is actions such as this will not win the war on terror. The reason terrorists exist is because the western world's actions have pissed people off enough to be so sick of it they are willing to kill themselves to try and make a difference. If you want evidence of this look at Canada. We used to be a peacekeeping nation. We tried to spend more time peacekeeping than fighting conflicts. Our actions in Afghanistan (under our new conservative government) have now made Canada a target just like the united states for acts of terrorism. Why do we as the west feel it neccessary to force our views onto the rest of the world? At home none of us like other people's beliefs being forced on us. So why is it ok for our country's to force 'our' beliefs down the throats of other countries?

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I find it funny that instead of saving these mice, and not having extra money to spend on war, we have people in here who want to leave the mice to die, and in the process kill people too.......am I the only one who sees this as a little bit backwards?



I dont know how I missed this post before....must be like when your in a pub, and the very cool person you are sitting by, doesn't get your attention for the first hour, then boom when the other guys go play some pool, and there you are (the only guy left to talk to) and then he and I, we end up going out for pizza~ because we find that we have a lot in common...."bye guys" I yell as we go out the door! "SEE YA LATER!" wub.gif

(now that is flirting!) biggrin.gif


nice job Steveo....good work! smile.gif


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QUOTE (Steveo @ Jun 8 2006, 03:01 PM)


Now I guess we can talk about nature, and why trying to save another species may be valuable, as a principle (not neccessarily in this case). Tampering with the ecosystem can be dangerous. You never know how wiping out one species might effect everything else. You might wipe out an annoying species that also controls insects, and then these insects multiply and eat all of the food, and then we have no crops to eat and we all go hungry. Extreme example I know, but I think its the best policy to try and be the least amount invasive on the environment as possible.

Now to the person who said we should not grant money for the mice, and use it to feed starving people. Saying that we should let natural selection take its course. Wouldn't letting starving people die also be letting natural selection take its course?

I believe this bears repeating too.


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QUOTE (beckerist @ Jun 5 2006, 07:16 PM)
http://www.physorg.com/news68729571.html

Or are we really spending 0 million (folks, that"s 0,000,000) to save a mouse?

I think we need to reevaluate our goals as a country and as a species. We have millions dying from hunger yet we"re saving a rodent (that no one really knows if it"s its own species or not!)???




oy vey

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QUOTE (Your fellow human (yfh) @ Jun 11 2006, 02:19 AM)
QUOTE (beckerist @ Jun 5 2006, 07:16 PM)
http://www.physorg.com/news68729571.html

Or are we really spending 0 million (folks, that"s 0,000,000) to save a mouse?

I think we need to reevaluate our goals as a country and as a species. We have millions dying from hunger yet we"re saving a rodent (that no one really knows if it"s its own species or not!)???




oy vey

Use the money to secretly engineer a superhuman...

what for yerfellow... ? we have so many all about....they are clearly here we just don't like to recognise that which is greater than we!
(IMHO) biggrin.gif

We must merely begin to recognise the greatest minds of our times!!!!
Some are living in the now (well all are but technically in bodily form)
on the erathly plane of existance. Some are possibly people you may know but not know! rolleyes.gif

I still say we can easily do both though, and it aint a bad idea unless you watch that lawnmower man series a few times over and think! think! think on it!

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I dont know how I missed this post before....must be like when your in a pub, and the very cool person you are sitting by, doesn't get your attention for the first hour, then boom when the other guys go play some pool, and there you are (the only guy left to talk to) and then he and I, we end up going out for pizza~ because we find that we have a lot in common...."bye guys" I yell as we go out the door! "SEE YA LATER!"

(now that is flirting!) 


nice job Steveo....good work!


*doing his best Joey inpression* "How you doin?"

Hehe, thanks for the kind words.

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Use the money to secretly engineer a superhuman...


But then you run into all of the ethical questions...blah blah, and besides, don't you watch the movies? Unethical science ALWAYS leads to near complete world destruction! And the movies.....well, they don't lie now do they? wink.gif


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QUOTE (Steveo @ Jun 9 2006, 09:45 PM)

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Two ton bombs is the only way we will EVER win the war in Iraq. Kill them all....

KAAAABOOOOOOOOM!!!!

lol


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(Go cranky man, go! Drop them bombs!)


These are two of the most ridiculous statements I have ever heard, and I hope they are both in Jest. First of all, I thought the war in Iraq was over and that America had won?? I thought your only their now to help them establish a democracy. Guess I am a little bit confused here.

But the more important thing, is actions such as this will not win the war on terror. The reason terrorists exist is because the western world's actions have pissed people off enough to be so sick of it they are willing to kill themselves to try and make a difference. If you want evidence of this look at Canada. We used to be a peacekeeping nation. We tried to spend more time peacekeeping than fighting conflicts. Our actions in Afghanistan (under our new conservative government) have now made Canada a target just like the united states for acts of terrorism. Why do we as the west feel it neccessary to force our views onto the rest of the world? At home none of us like other people's beliefs being forced on us. So why is it ok for our country's to force 'our' beliefs down the throats of other countries?

Edit #2

I find it funny that instead of saving these mice, and not having extra money to spend on war, we have people in here who want to leave the mice to die, and in the process kill people too.......am I the only one who sees this as a little bit backwards?

I never joke!

Well the only reason our GREATEST president ever, George W. Bush, said the war was over is to calm super Libs like you! So if the war is over then you have nothing to bitch about... right?...

Poor guy didn't know you were going to find something else to complain about.. but wait I’m sorry that’s in your nature..

Yes the only way to stop terrorism is with force. We tell people what to do because we are right and it’s for their benefit. These people take advantage of weakness just like any wild animal staking pray. IF we show weakness then we will lose...

Looks like I better go buy a Koran because and start to memorize it because if these libs have their way we will be living in a Muslim country by the end of the decade.


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I never joke!

Well the only reason our GREATEST president ever, George W. Bush, said the war was over is to calm super Libs like you! So if the war is over then you have nothing to bitch about... right?...

Poor guy didn't know you were going to find something else to complain about.. but wait I’m sorry that’s in your nature..

Yes the only way to stop terrorism is with force. We tell people what to do because we are right and it’s for their benefit. These people take advantage of weakness just like any wild animal staking pray. IF we show weakness then we will lose...

Looks like I better go buy a Koran because and start to memorize it because if these libs have their way we will be living in a Muslim country by the end of the decade.


Wow, do you actually believe the crap you just spewed out? Yeah, I am pretty liberal. Did you know your country was founded on liberal values? The freedom to pursue happiness in anyway you see fit. But I guess that only applies inside your own country (well, I am not so sure about that either), but you feel it is your god given right to force others to think the same as you? See, terrorism is not the same as fighting another nation. People become terrorists out of anger, misinformation, and suppression. Lets see....the combination of being angry at the United states for things done overseas (which often times don't make it into American media), misinformation from their governments, or other groups, and suppression both from within their country, and from the west. Unless you plan on killing every person in hte middle east (maybe your that sick and twisted) force will not stop the war on terrorism. The terrorists who attacked the world trade centers need to be punished.....but a blanket assault on many innocent people is not a solution. Well, it is a solution for George Bush, because always being at war is good for him. He can hide the issues at home by talking about the war on terror. You have been brainwashed. And if these "liberals" you talk about had their way, you would be way more free in 10 years than you are now. Liberals want freedom for everyone. They want people to be able to live how they see fit as long as it doesn't harm others. Conservates want everyone to live as the conservatives see fit. Myself (and other liberals) want everyone to live as they decide they should. How would you like it if I FORCED my beliefs down your throat? Would you be pissed off? So why is it ok to force your beliefs down other's throats? Because your American?


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Oh man, so many things to respond to with so much personal apathy!

Whoever mentioned intellect, I agree. I'm a smart guy, I know there are plenty of smart people out there but the average IQ is 100, which means for everyone above that level there's at least one person below that level.

Cranky guy, that is one of the funniest things I've ever read, thank you! Email me: beckerist@gmail.com. Anyone that wants to, feel free. Hate mail gets ignored.

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QUOTE (Dannible @ Jun 12 2006, 09:21 AM)
QUOTE (Steveo @ Jun 9 2006, 09:45 PM)

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Two ton bombs is the only way we will EVER win the war in Iraq. Kill them all....

KAAAABOOOOOOOOM!!!!

lol


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(Go cranky man, go! Drop them bombs!)


These are two of the most ridiculous statements I have ever heard, and I hope they are both in Jest. First of all, I thought the war in Iraq was over and that America had won?? I thought your only their now to help them establish a democracy. Guess I am a little bit confused here.

But the more important thing, is actions such as this will not win the war on terror. The reason terrorists exist is because the western world's actions have pissed people off enough to be so sick of it they are willing to kill themselves to try and make a difference. If you want evidence of this look at Canada. We used to be a peacekeeping nation. We tried to spend more time peacekeeping than fighting conflicts. Our actions in Afghanistan (under our new conservative government) have now made Canada a target just like the united states for acts of terrorism. Why do we as the west feel it neccessary to force our views onto the rest of the world? At home none of us like other people's beliefs being forced on us. So why is it ok for our country's to force 'our' beliefs down the throats of other countries?
Edit #2

I find it funny that instead of saving these mice, and not having extra money to spend on war, we have people in here who want to leave the mice to die, and in the process kill people too.......am I the only one who sees this as a little bit backwards?

I never joke!

Well the only reason our GREATEST president ever, George W. Bush, said the war was over is to calm super Libs like you! So if the war is over then you have nothing to bitch about... right?...

Poor guy didn't know you were going to find something else to complain about.. but wait I’m sorry that’s in your nature..

Yes the only way to stop terrorism is with force. We tell people what to do because we are right and it’s for their benefit. These people take advantage of weakness just like any wild animal staking pray. IF we show weakness then we will lose...
Looks like I better go buy a Koran because and start to memorize it because if these libs have their way we will be living in a Muslim country by the end of the decade.

Hey There Dannible!

Dont call me a liberal...i am a revolutionary.

Okay?
i wont call you a facist.

We must be on the same page then....

~if we can agree to this.


now I am liberal in my flirting abilities but you have given me no PM's so...it's cool. I dont have to be told twice!

kiss kiss, you big honkin' bad azz!

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QUOTE (Steveo @ Jun 12 2006, 09:31 AM)
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I never joke!

Well the only reason our GREATEST president ever, George W. Bush, said the war was over is to calm super Libs like you! So if the war is over then you have nothing to bitch about... right?...

Poor guy didn't know you were going to find something else to complain about.. but wait I’m sorry that’s in your nature..

Yes the only way to stop terrorism is with force. We tell people what to do because we are right and it’s for their benefit. These people take advantage of weakness just like any wild animal staking pray. IF we show weakness then we will lose...

Looks like I better go buy a Koran because and start to memorize it because if these libs have their way we will be living in a Muslim country by the end of the decade.


Wow, do you actually believe the crap you just spewed out? Yeah, I am pretty liberal. Did you know your country was founded on liberal values? The freedom to pursue happiness in anyway you see fit. But I guess that only applies inside your own country (well, I am not so sure about that either), but you feel it is your god given right to force others to think the same as you? See, terrorism is not the same as fighting another nation. People become terrorists out of anger, misinformation, and suppression. Lets see....the combination of being angry at the United states for things done overseas (which often times don't make it into American media), misinformation from their governments, or other groups, and suppression both from within their country, and from the west. Unless you plan on killing every person in hte middle east (maybe your that sick and twisted) force will not stop the war on terrorism. The terrorists who attacked the world trade centers need to be punished.....but a blanket assault on many innocent people is not a solution.[/ Well, it is a solution for George Bush, because always being at war is good for him. He can hide the issues at home by talking about the war on terror. You have been brainwashed. And if these "liberals" you talk about had their way, you would be way more free in 10 years than you are now. Liberals want freedom for everyone. They want people to be able to live how they see fit as long as it doesn't harm others. Conservates want everyone to live as the conservatives see fit. Myself (and other liberals) want everyone to live as they decide they should. How would you like it if I FORCED my beliefs down your throat? Would you be pissed off? So why is it ok to force your beliefs down other's throats? Because your American?

Anyhow...i am into Steveo now.... biggrin.gif


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QUOTE (beckerist @ Jun 12 2006, 09:36 AM)
Oh man, so many things to respond to with so much personal apathy!

Whoever mentioned intellect, I agree. I'm a smart guy, I know there are plenty of smart people out there but the average IQ is 100, which means for everyone above that level there's at least one person below that level.

Cranky guy, that is one of the funniest things I've ever read, thank you! Email me: beckerist@gmail.com. Anyone that wants to, feel free. Hate mail gets ignored.

~JS

Why the apathetic view...it gets one no-where...oh yeah! Well I did that for long enough i guess. wink.gif


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QUOTE (tikay @ Jun 13 2006, 10:10 PM)

Hey There Dannible!

Dont call me a liberal...i am a revolutionary.

Okay?
i wont call you a facist.

We must be on the same page then....

~if we can agree to this.


now I am liberal in my flirting abilities but you have given me no PM's so...it's cool. I dont have to be told twice!

kiss kiss, you big honkin' bad azz!

rolleyes.gif

I too consider my self to be a revolutionary. Being a fascist is so 1940's...

I don't think anyone can be called a true fascist anymore... Those ideals died long ago with Hitler and Stalin. Any one claiming the title of a fascist today is just a wannabe.

I work, go to church, and poop like everyone else (well except the church part.. and that’s ok because we are all going to hell anyways).


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