IRANIAN Fusion - What a Joke ha, ha, ha, Full story at http://www.physorg.com/news68119289.html

http://www.physorg.com/news68119289.html

The smartest minds around the world have been working on a solution for decades spending billions of dollars.

I think they have been in the SUN too long and need to urgently find shade !

14th Century mindset coupled to Islamic philosophy = progress?.......Nah

Iran's new leadership has worked their country into a frenzy over this claimed progress in centrifuges, and other huge leaps in heavy element work, but, fusion progress in parallel with , what is monumental progress for a 3rd world secular state, is almost impossible.
This fusion work is not like a natural offshoot of heavy element work, completely different infrastructure, raw materials and industrial technology. As much as the Iranian people want to become competitive with world powers, this most recent boast should alert educated Iranians to the game President Ahmadinejad is trying to play.
I really feel that Iran could become a responsible power if they'd stop the propaganda machine, import the necessary raw materials for their reactors and become a more prominent world exporter.
Ron

Fusion=H bomb

Not a joke.

I'm not sure that creating a few seconds worth of controllable fusion gives the ability to create an H Bomb. At present the H-bomb needs a smaller fission explosion to provide the initial heat.

But I do think this is a blatant lie from Iran. States which supress free thinking are unlikely to spawn the cutting edge scince needed for fusion. Copying the west's 60 year old technology seems more their style.

I thought their work was for peaceful energy use ?

Well, now the lying Iranians have let the cat out of the bag.

They want to copy Teller's creation for destruction.

Iranian's dont have the brains or manpower, even if we gave them
the H-bomb plans.

Iran is on a slippery slop that they will one day regret.

Maybe Iranian's don't have the knowledge to construct atomic weapons. Apparently Iran is wary of people who have been educated outside of Iran. A collegue of mine is a Nuclear physicist from Iran. While he was there he was not even approached about their nuclear program. But if Iran hired scientists from the former Soviet Union to head up their research programs they do have the knowledge and experience to construct both nuclear energy, and nuclear weapons. At any rate, as much as I may fear Iran being a nuclear power, I find it ridiculous that we in the west are trying to dictate what a soveriegn nation can and can't do.

But as far as fusion goes. I hope their research goes well. New ideas that are disconnected (probably not, with the internet making science so accessible) from western research my be just the push that fusion needs to get kick started out of the research phase. If/when fusion can be used as a cheap, viable energy solution the entire world will benefit, so who really cares what country makes the biggest contribution. Science should be entirely open source anyways.

Ahmedinejad worked on training the 12 year old boys to walk on minefields to clear them for the more mature troops to follow behind. His ministry gave them plastic keys to wear around their necks as a symbol of keys to paradise.

Well, somone who has taught thousands of boys to sacrifice their lives do this cannot remain unaffected by his own brainwashing methods, and now *HE* is acting out the role of a little boy, marching on the minefields of international politics, stepping on mines everywhere he comments on an issue (the holocaust, nukes) .... Fusion research is nothing if not his plastic key for him to hold as he marches on to confrontation -- sans plan.

This might be what happens when politicians get wind of annual reports from research labs. Some grad student probably did some work related to fusion 5 years ago, and they claim "we are working on nuclear fusion." Yah, "we", right, ... really Mr President.

The solution to the Iranion H-bomb is to give Israel free license to bomb. Any device Iran develops would be tested first on Israel and they know it!

E. L. Earnhardt

Ahmadinejad has made it very clear for a lot of years.. Israel is target ONE.. to quote one of his rambling talks to OPEC.. He wants to see the blood of Israeli children filling the gutters of Israel..

Anyone who thinks even for a second Israel will sit back and allow Ahmadinejad to get nukes has not been paying any attention for the last 15 years..

Your right on target there E.L.

this is wishful thinking for Iranians yeah they are naive but lying nah!
lying is when you tell your people that a country has nukes so you can go occupy it at the cost of the death of thousands of Americans and 10s of thousands of other humans just so you can secure new markets for giant cross Continent business groups that had put you in office in the first place, that is lying.

now here is why the Iraq scenario is not redoable
first off Iran is not a country fucked up by years of economic embargo and a sadistic ruler, yeah the Iran government is not democratic but over all their economy is good their social life is good "seeing that alot of Iranis actually do believe in the social laws their government enforces" yeah not all Iranis do but their government is supported by its people unlike Saddam, a war is not an option, a nuke is the worse possible idea ever presented, any one who hasn't rejected this after thickening about it for 10 seconds is like living on mars, first off way to close to other allies of USA "not only Israel".

now the question is why does Iran and alot of Arab hate Israel, why are there alot of crazy terrorists who target Israel and the US. does Israel have a historic right to Jerusalem well it doesn't matter they are here lets be practical lets Say they do have a historic right, but when they came back they found people living here .now a good deal "not saying a majority I'm saying alot of people" of those were killed by brutal Zionist mobs prior to the decleration of Israel even though Jews had been living in the Arab states as usual citizens up to the late 40's. OK another good sum of people where thrown off to other countries, the remaining bunch were stuffed up in a very small portion of the land and to make it worse they kept eating more and more on 67 and later and now beside the fact the Palestinians hold a very small portion it is not even continueos but scattered small areas, and Israel will not even allow them to have a proper state, for God's sake from experience which was easier to deal with Irish rebels or an Irish government, OK Arabs will accept the status quo give them control over the land they have now, added to that the hypocrate Israelis say that they are a modern secular state then why in God's hell are Arab Israelis known as Arabs of 48 treated as second degree citizens. are the Palestine's groups doing crazy terrorist acts ,well some of them do that some times, those of them who attack civis are terrorists but not to be on the same par with Osman bin ladin they do have a cause and there is clear injustice. their methods are flawed. but that is because of frustration.

same goes for Iran government a Muslim state they now have the same feeling you had when Germany was occupying Europe their brothers in religion and race are suffering great injustice, the fact that some of them do crazy things does not negate this fact. that is why Arabs hate Israel. i think that Zionist politicians are mad how in god hell is it not easier to handle an actual state that has a known system which would be easy to gather Intel on, it will be easier to say that Palestine does offenses to Israel while now there is nothing called Palestine, how do they expect the state to control the Palestinians when there is no state. but here is what i reckon what they want Israelis want all of Palestine some of the most mad sections of them even want from the Nile to the furat land. so initially they want to stick all of the palatiniens out, best possible candidate to throw them in? Jordan.

historical right may give you the right to return have a state but not *** people, and why do we not see any Arabs claiming stake for the south of Spain?? they lived there for 700 years?

and those who say that Iran would test their nukes on Israel are on pot. do you mistake Iran for a well know super power monopole who chose to test their nukes on a country that had the intinion of surrendering and had declared that in secret negotiations. they cant do that. it is just not possible for Iran to use nukes on anyone, if they want to have them it is for balance, what is wrong with that, it doesn't matter who started hating who now both sides hate each other, Israel has nukes just for that reason why not Iran, but use them. come on!

do you even have a source for that let alone a good one, you wanna talk about tyranny in Iran there is a young girl -17- which is not a minor in Iran who killed a Boy in self defense the Iran government is trying to convect here for intentional murder because of the political power of the boy's family. but old wives tales about the *evil* Iran hardly make you sound credible.

again Iran claims of research on fusion are part wishful thinking part psychological war just like that of the cold war between the US and the USSR "may it rest in peace".

i have never seen more contradictions in such a few lines
OK so let me get this straight.
you say that they want to make fusion hence they want H bomb and you say this contradicts that they want peaceful use, fusion has useful uses actually it is much easier to build a fusion reactor than a bomb.
OK so you're saying Iran's are a threat because they might make the H bomb but you're saying that they are so stupid they cant make and H bomb, let alone that the fact that a 3rd world country has a nuclear power plant system is proof of their scientific status.

now a little thing to make this in order, i am an Egyptian by descent Canadian by birth i live in Egypt and i am an atheist ex Muslim liberal, 23 years old chemical engineer with a degree in computer science. and i am so not getting who the scientific community of the Western world having a majority of atheists blindly support a project based solely on literal interpretations of holy scriptures, yeah Israelis have a right to live here, any way or another they are here, but other people have that right too, and how could you support a state which is built on religion. where citizens could only be Jews or atheist Jews which is one of the weirdest things in this world where some one would become an atheist and still believe in the Jewish holy right to the land?? how can you blindly support a country where anyone not from the descent of its majority faith a second degree citizen, what do you think would happen to an Israeli who decides he wants to become a Christian or a Muslim, do you imagine his status would remain the same in the eyes of the law or society.

the thermonuclear bomb is reality

and a peaceful fusion energy system is fantasy !

Iran's comments on fusion and their success leaves one calling for a shovel.

GreyCell,
Your post was interesting......but hard to follow. Your english isn't the best I have seen.
It should also be mentioned that Iran is mostly Persian, not Arab.

This is wrong. A fusion reactor has never successfully been built that can even break even energy wise. An H bomb isn't super complicated. The thing is the need for a huge heat source to start fusing hydrogen. And this is accomplished by using a regular nuke as the ignition source.

yeah i did make the mistake of using the spell check and not reviewing the result it replaced some of my misspelled wodrs with ones i did not intend.
i reedited it now hope it is clearer.

ok i relooked H bomb yeah H bomb is easier than a not yey acomplished fusion reactor, but do you really think that the iranis are trying to make an H bomb.

again on a purely moral basis trying to make weapons of mass destruction is wron, they can never be used rightfully , except maybe in rare cases a tactical nuke.

yeah iranis are persians but they have been absorbed by arabs long ago they are now a subculture of arabic culture and the very famous book kalila wa dimna is a very dear part of the larger arab culture , yeah they still have a unique culture but they are part of a bigger whole, and thier link to palstine is by islam and by common cultural bonds.

This is intriguing. Up to now, the Iranians have been accumulating fissionable material and the non-Moslem world is upset because of what seems to be a large number of Moslem terrorists.

A number of countries have been working on fusion for 50 years or so. It is highly unlikely that Iranian scientists are going to be able to oversome the stavility problems that the rest of the scientific world has not been able to solve.

No to worry about fusion from the Iranians in my opinion. Fission from them is to worry about.