Problem with the two slit experiment, Observing later

C2,

IMO, the uncertainty is the phase angle relationship of the rotating EM field.
It will be a different value for every photon that enters the cavities of the slits.
The geometry of the slits is constant. The screen is constant. All physical
geometries are constant. The only variable is the rotational phase angle of the
propagating EM wave energy.

The relationship of geometries can be measured and mathematically computed.
The geometry of the wavefunction varies with time. It is the variable, the
"uncertainty".

LL

This post has been edited by Laserlight on Dec 20 2006, 05:42 PM

Hi GE,

I'm rested and ready to continue the discussion/debate.

I think it is spooky because no one has described a conceptual model, which
is what I am attempting to do. If you can understand why something occurs the
spookiness goes away, but then the arguments begin.

Are they really permanent static charges or are they better described as
dynamic localized energy fields? Atomic "motion" varies in time to maintain
a quasi-balanced energy association between atoms. Each atom vibrates in
tandem with its neighbors, they must have some phase relationship.
Call it atomic "harmony". A bit beyond my depth, but I think I understand the
basic mechanism.

I think standing waves are a function of the macro environment that they are
operating in. Perhaps it is only a matter of scale or geometry. An angle of
30 degrees is the same whether the physical geometry is atomic scale or
galactic scale. So why can't standing waves of energy exhibit similar properties?

I think we need to consider how the wave propagates as its EM fields "oscillate"
in their sinusoidal phase rotation. Consider a beam of laser light projected onto
the screen without having passed thru the slits. The waveform is perfectly
reproduced on the screen. If we could visualize the exact point of wavefunction
"collapse" it should fall equally on both sides of the waveform centerline, according
to what phase angle polarity the collapsing wave was in at the time of collapse.
In other words, was the wavefunction in the positive 1/2 of its polarity or the
negative 1/2 of its polarity as it collapsed? I don't think it is possible for the
wavefunction to collapse all on one side of the centerline of the wavefunction, since
there is a timing delay offset associated with each arriving wave. JMHO.

Remember my "belief" that higher forms of energy propagate along the
boundaries of lower forms of energy. Perhaps this is an extra dimension that you
are professing. Maybe we are not in total theoretical conflict. I think we both
agree that the "vacuum" of any space indeed has background energy "fluxing"
thru it, and higher energy levels propagate along these lower energy levels,
though the correct conceptual mechanism is yet to be formalized.


LL

GE,

I see that you added some commentary while I was responding to your earlier
post.

Vacuoles?.....lower energy state levels propagating in the vacuum? Different
dimensions? Perhaps the same thing, described differently.

LL

This post has been edited by Laserlight on Dec 20 2006, 06:47 PM

yquantum, NO I AM FIND just doing what you always told us to do, keep out of the box as much as possible! GooD Elf, Laserlight, Confused2, TRoc, all,

I little cold but that is norm for season.

Everyone, I can see this post going on as long as the Higgs post [or longer yq hopes as well as I do], but at least you are staying on the same subject and yq. tells me that is a good sign. I do not see how in the - well let me say this different due to, "2" might be reading.

But how Laserlight do you explain this without bringing the theory of

Entanglement?

Just a question and then I have so many more but one at a time. These post seem so long to me.

Duality/Lisa

Hello Lisa,

Entanglement? I would say yes, at the structural atomic level. Atoms share
electrons and entangled EM energy fields to maintain overall structural integrity
(balanced energy).

Do you agree, or is there a better simplified technical description?

Perhaps when photon EM fields interact with the EM fields of entangled matter
there is some dislocation or dissociation in the energy phase relationship.
I think this is why electrons can be dislocated from their ground state and
raised to a higher energy level.

My premise is that the inherent EM fields of matter can extend beyond the
physical bounds of the atomic matrix, and this is where the interaction between
the EM fields of matter and the EM fields of the photon interact.


LL

This post has been edited by Laserlight on Dec 20 2006, 07:46 PM

by Laserlight

Not completely sure what you mean unless you are referring to interference or decoherence?

Maybe these sites will help you decide?

http://www.physics.utoronto.ca/research/qo...oms-and-photons

http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/qmec...res/node20.html

Let me know then we can proceed, Laserlight.

Lisa

Lisa,

Neither of your links works, but I am familiar with the concepts of
interference and decoherence. Interference being the mixing of
signals that causes disruptions in signal fidelty. Decoherence being
an out of phase, or out of timing, "relationship" between wave signals.

I agree. They are the proper terms to use for physics, mine were more
in line with chemical reactions/phenomena. Sorry for mixing terms.

We can continue.


LL

Could the slit be similar to a concave mirror reflection of light hidden in perspective?

Oracle1,

Can you describe/elaborate on how the mechanism you are inquiring about works?
That way we can have a common basis of understanding of the phenomenon
that you are proposing.

Thanks, Glad to see you contributing!

LL

There is a spherical abbarition in light reflecting from a concave sphere. The light focuses in two dirrections. One that can be seen and the other hidden in perspective

This post has been edited by oracle1 on Dec 20 2006, 09:27 PM

additionally there is some thought that the speed of light is impacted through quantum interference and that it slows down in water.

Hi Oracle1,

This is refraction. The propagation of light always slows down when in a
different medium than vacuum, as in observing a pencil inserted into the water
of a fish tank. It looks "offset", because of a difference of diffraction between
air and water. The speed of light is different in the two different media.

I think I see what you are getting at with your concave lens/mirror scenario. The
focal point can be changed according to the refraction/reflection of the lens. In that
regard I think that yes, the slit is acting as a kind of "lens" because it is changing
the electrical and magnetic phase (refraction) of the light wave. It is refracting
the photon wave from its normal angle of incidence. There is a difference
in photon flight path before and after the slit.

Good Elf referenced this some time ago in his pinhole aperature "camera obscura"
discussion. I defer to his expertise.


LL

Laserlight, oracle1 -welcome-, Confused2, Good Elf -have a question will wait till you get back, TRoc, all, (so many going to use ALL next time.

Now, all I have to say is I am on my way out for a bite to eat, warm, like Mexican food now that is the ticket.

Laserlight, will get back with you I do understand but need some time to think, everyone has me working out of the fundamental QM box of thought, which is a great exercise on occasion. I hope?

Duality/Lisa

Hi all,



If I have to pick just one thing at a time, to keep things "short & sweet", I am going to ask this:


The Quantum interpretation is light, the "photon", interacts with matter, the electron ONLY through absorption and re-emission (of a new "photon").

SO, in terms of "transparency", why does everyone insist on using PRE-QM terms, where the model describes light as GOING THROUGH the medium.



regards,

T.Roc

TRoc,

Is an extended EM energy field in the open"space" of the slits considered a
medium?

Yes, a phase timing change/shift is taking place. Are you suggesting that
the EM fields, according to QED, cannot interact without directly involving an
electron changing orbitals to generate new photon?

IMO, the photon energy is moving parallel to the sidewalls of the slit surfaces or
at a very oblique angle approaching 180 degrees.
Can a parallel, zero degree, "angle of attack" directly change an electron's
orbital position and generate a new photon?

I'm asking out of curiosity.

TIA,
LL