Black Holes, Big Bangs, and Singularities, My take on the Multiverse theory...

Alright, so while watching an episode of "Stephen Hawking's Universe" the other day, I had an idea.

See, one of the up-and-coming theories in cosmology is the Multiverse Theory, as discussed in Michio Kaku's "Parallel Worlds" book. See, the idea is that our universe isn't a singular one, but is like a bud on a vine. Our universe spawned from another universe, kind of like how a tadpole grows a leg - and, from our universe, one (possibly multiple) other universi (I guess that would be the plural to "universe") will spawn from ours. This cycle goes on infinitely, always creating new universi. This, in a nutshell, is the Multiverse theory.

My idea comes in here. Black holes are, what many physicists consider, a singularity. That is, the matter that these objects swallow is compressed down into a really, really small point. It is this small point that generates the gravitational force driving the black hole in its quest for consuming matter. Most of you, hopefully, are familiar with the concept of Hawking Radiation.

[Sidenote: If you don't have a degree in mathematics or physics, don't even bother looking at the math. Your face might implode upon itself.]

So, if you're not familiar with Hawking radiation, I'll try to sum it up here, as it appears in Stephen Hawking's The Universe in a Nutshell. The British physicist Stephen Hawking said that black holes - these things with immense gravitational attraction - would evaporate into nothingness. But... how? Well, it lies with virtual particle pairs. See, the very edge of a black hole is called the event horizon - at this point, if you're beyond the event horizon, you will most likely not escape the gravity of the black hole. Now, from the energy of this event horizon, the quantum fluctuations create virtual particle pairs. Now, the particle and antiparticle pair should annihilate each other, but one particle gets sucked back into the hole, and the other is launched into space. Now, remember that matter is just energy in another form, so energy has escaped from a black hole! A black hole is going to keep doing this, until it evaporates.

Now, here my idea begins to defy convention. First of all, what if the matter eaten by a black hole lies on the fabric of spacetime? This singularity could lie on the very edge of our "manifold", or set of dimensions. "The edge of our universe," if you will. Now, what if, instead of the black hole (all the matter it consumed) evaporating... what if the black hole's "presence" in our manifold is evaporating?



To illustrate what I mean, look at the above picture. Now, my idea states that it's not the matter in the middle evaporating, but the entire top half of the black hole. Now, once the ties it has to our manifold disappear, the gateway between here and there collapses, and the singularity lying on the edge of our spacetime then explodes into the empty space outside our universe, creating a Big Bang and another universe. The Multiverse theory realized.

Kinda nifty!

Now, I know that this has some glaring problems. A prime example is my idea of "the black hole's presence in our manifold." Well, a black hole isn't a thing with a cone of material or a material presence, but an effect caused by the warping of spacetime. So, exactly how this would "evaporate," I don't know.

If anyone has any ideas, questions, comments, input... it's all welcome!

Though, do be civilized.

there is only one universe, no "paralel universe"
transformation of matter into space and back is contunous
universe has no begenning and no end
it is renewing itself

See: Sorli A., Fiscaletti D. (2005). Active Galactic Nucleus As a Renewing Systems Of the Universe, Electronic Journal of Theoretical Physics, Vol. 2, Num 6
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Well, this idea is pretty convenient with the idea of Universe as the black hole or gravastar. Consider my no such pretty, but animated scheme bellow:



Concerning the multiverse hypothesis, it has slightly different meaning in the M-theory and others, because such concept supposes, the Universes aren't separated by some singularity.

If the Black Hole is created as a Gravastar it may grows like our Universe. It will be a hierarchical system of the Universe. Black Hole - our Observable Universe - outer Universe. This idea of the hierarchy has a special name in cosmology (I forgot).

Excellent Astrophysics Kid. I've long been a believer of parallel Universes. Now we have multiple Universes. last night I stumbled on the exact thought as you have outlined after I saw a program on Steven Hawking. Hawking said that matter travels via black holes beyond our universe. My theory wasn't quite as technical as yours, but in essence I agree with you. It answers questions re the big bang theory, and where matter goes in a black hole.

I thought that maybe our universe is simply composed from a collapsed star from another Universe and that that star was of gigantic size. (Size being relative, so whose measuring!) and the scenario goes on infinitely.

I love this theory, it makes sense to me as a casual observer of physics.

My other theory is that anything one can imagine is possible (though maybe improbable) This helps me believe in everything. I don't just mean within our universe now that we have others to consider and I'm not referring to the supernatural.

I think the best relationship is to look at how other life grows. Our universe is going to act like everything else we've encountered in this aspect. We are a very small part of a very big organism. May we have been banged here or not by a Big Bang...

I do agree that a big bang would certainly have some residual effects. I'd love to know more about those residual effects, however I just don't see the application applying to my theories or undertandings. It matters not.



Staying should be much more important, or finding new.

I'm just curiouys as to what you mean by multiuniverse.

Do you mean a place where every alternative choice of man is played in its own universe? Or do you mean a place where the 6 "constants" in the universe vary by slight amounts, causing the creation of an inhospitable universe?

I'm not a great fan of this theory, but I'm open to any ideas that may arise from it.

I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU ABOUT YOUR THEORY. I HAVE ONLY 1 QUESTION. HOW DID THE FIRST BIGBANG HAPPEN? WHAT CREATED ALL THE SPACE AND TIME WE SEE AND LIVE IN TODAY?

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P.S. The only thing I hate about parallel unuverse theorys in that if there true, my life means nothing.

The 'universes spawn other universes' multiverse theory, is ridiculous because of 1 thing - It negates a true beginning. My own alternate multiverse theory, posits that all universes began at the same moment together - When Time began.
Also, I disagree with any suggestion that black holes are like "tunnels" to alternate realities. I don't think it's the case where you join black hole A with white hole B. The fact that we've never seen any white holes, pretty much disproves any assumptions that black holes can connect to other universes, otherwise we would have had white holes connect to us in the droves.
Why can't people just think of black holes as points in space, which are merely large concentrations of matter, due to gravity. This whole 'connecting to other universes' lark, is just speculation. I have never in all my time, ever seen a good reason for such an assumption. It's just people with wild imaginations and next to no evidence.

Oh you will. Just you wait and see. Muhahaha MUHAHAHAHAHA

bokusman. There is no evidence for parallel universes or multiverses. They remain just an idea at present.

Matter in a black hole is beyond our universe since it is not going to come back. But not in another universe.

Stars have a maximum amount of matter they can hold before they literally fall apart. There are supergiant stars of which much is of very little density near the "surface". Why not our universe is an atom in a larger universe, etc?

The matter within a singularity, is not 'beyond' our universe, it is very much inside it. When people say that "Nothing can escape a black hole", I think they are talking purely from the standpoint that current physics dictates (According to Steven Hawking, that is). They make the effort(s) to state "Nothing can escape", but invest no time or brainpower at all, investigating whether there are 'other' ways for matter to escape.
I myself fervently believe that matter can escape a black hole, but as fundamental-esque particles, broken-down by the singularity.
To me, it seems like another one of nature's cycles. Suns fuse matter together, to heavier atoms, whilst black holes break it down into it's fundamental form(s). The common theory of "Not even light can escape", is unsubstantiated. Sure, the singularity is a point which is completely black, suggesting that light does not escape. However, my theory on this, is that perhaps light breaks down or contributes to the breakdown of matter, into fundamental-esque particles. Perhaps it is only black, because all the light which travels to the singularity, is consumed by the 'recycling' process of the singularity, before it has a chance to escape again. That is my theory anyway, take it or leave it. However I suggest you at least think on it.

THE UNIVERSE IS NOT IN A MULTIVERSE. IT IS EXPANDING TO AN EVER GREATER SIZE THEREFOR YOU CANNOT FIT IT INTO ANYTHING BIGGER. THAT'S A FACT. ITS AN HYPERSPHERE

MITCH RAEMSCH -- LIGHT FALL --

Why not? It depends on your definition of Universe.

That logic would only work, if the universes developed within some 'finite space' outside of our universe, and that other universes were simply distant objects within it.

I don't like such theories..

My own superior theory, on the 'location' of alternate universes, is such that they are able to exist right on top of our own, but that we don't see them, feel them or interact with them in any way, simply because there is a multiversal law of non-interaction between universes, which transcends the laws of individual universes. It's something I came up with, and I will elaborate and give reasons for it, if asked

Also, I don't have a problem with the universe being a sphere. But a hypersphere? - There is no evidence to suggest that the universe is anything more than 3 dimensions - x,y,z....and no, Time is not a dimension, and I will elaborate on that too, if asked.