unborn babies? that is taking it way 2 far, Full story at http://www.physorg.com/news64297010.html

I dunno, seems like supplanting the pope might be a job worth a bit more than a measly $100...

Well you did prove you can run your mouth spewing political garbage in a otherwise interesting thread, your posting with no basis of fact adds what?.. and, it would seem that even for 100 dollars you cant put up..

prove that i am not the pope

Uh uh uh extinguisher! Burden of proof lies upon you, my friend.

Doesnt have to

I read through 3 pages of comments but could not find a reply to Gardner.
I think that is interesting. Could it be that all the posters are male and are merely
having a totally theoretical,ie.[ totally disconnected from any personal experience
or possible responsibility therein], discussion.

As a father of 3 children,of whom , I and they were 'blessed' with healthy births
and a loving and supportive home, I thank GOD that all those 'chance' events
came together.

I do not agree with the idea of abortion as a means of birth control. A condom,
or birth control pills work fine to prevent the union of sperm and egg. Somewhere
common sence must be used in talking about abortion or we descend into an arena of discussion in which the little sperm is the little bridegroom who meets
and marries the little egg,and a full fledged adult is there all but for the
passage of years. That is the realm of fundamentalism and it stands reality
on its head.

There is a sence of sacredness upon which we should look upon the world,but for
this sence of sacredness to have any meaning at all, then it must be all inclusive.
We cannot give the egg or the embrio more weight than that of the mother.
But if we meanwhile disregard the worth of the lives of our fellow human
brothers,by building weapons to destroy them,then how hollow is all this talk???

Another aspect of all this is the unspoken power of the state, as we currently
know it. Most people assume that the power of the state will always be there
to share in the burdens of child-rearing,even for the severely handicapped.
But if the 'state' ceased to exist tomorrow,then how many people would
elect to be custodians of a bed-ridden 'vegetable' ,that was perhaps in constant
pain? Would that be humane or even Christian?

The early agricultural peoples would look askance at us for even considering it.
The Bible makes no mention of it,though perhaps I missed something in my readings.

So about the weapons and destroyers, do you think there is still a sense of sacredness upon the world?? Do you think life is still sacred?? If what ends it is just a piece of bullet?

I really feel a life no matter what size or how long on this earth has a wonderful purpose. Emotionally to the parents and physically to the universe. Actions can speak so much louder and kinder, softer than words and each little angel that serves a life for research, brings tears of emotions to the very depths of my soul---
when you feel it ,it does makes you shake.........What a wonderful purpose in life.

First of all, Good on you Nick. I agree wholeheartedly in it being 'sick' using cut up babies, or for that sake any kind of humans, for other peoples viewing pleasure. Does it make it justifiable that they might be unclaimed bodies, Uuh dude, hallooo. Its degrading to society, and to those that don't get that point :) What can one say? As to what gardener wrote, i'm with her, she's right in it being the woman's final decision as it is her body, when it comes to a relationship where they live together then i don't know. There both has to be heard and listened to, as for someone being violated it's simple, she got to decide, not you! As for being.. Whatever, as long as they can love and treat other people decent there should be no problem, ahh well there will always be the problem for the kid as he finds out that his parents are 'different' but its still far better to be loved than to have none at all. As for choosing to have or not to have a baby, or for that sake wait until your career is 'right', that's seems to be a new phenomena kind of. before it was somewhat more difficult to make those kind of decisions and society and religion together made it also more difficult not to have :) if you see my drift. But then the Earth wasn't as overpopulated as it is now. i'm not sure that i like that kind of wait until my career is right thing though. It takes away much of the fun with doing stuff with your kids as you are going to be old before they grow up, also its a kind of elitism, me first.There is also a medical aspect to it. On the other hand, its your choice, not mine. And i agree with overlookedinfo that there are a certain pleasure in just letting 'it' happen naturally, but that needs a stable relationship for working. In Sweden we have a high 'split' rate between couples and a lot of mothers that take care of their children alone. But we also are getting a lot of 'big family's' where people find each other, having kids before that gets 'incorporated' and that seems to work too. As long as your society and parents cares, whatever they divorced or not, its workable.

This post has been edited by yor_on on Jul 17 2007, 06:17 AM