unborn babies? that is taking it way 2 far, Full story at http://www.physorg.com/news64297010.html

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unborn babies? that is taking it way 2 far

Seriously, they are dead. Who gives a crap? If they help kids learn, more power to the organizers or this exhibit. I would love to visit it.

I don't think it really matters how you use the lifeless carbon someone leaves behind. Hell, I would hope that if I died and had not specified otherwise, my body could be used in some useful fashion such as this.

I am forced to wonder if folks like this would feel different if it was their baby who was diced up like a lab rat for nothing more than a exhibit.. it is my opinion this is what happens when people are clueless as to what death really is all about..

As far as who gives a crap.. you might be surprised.. I am sure are more than a few of us here who do.. I do.

You raise a good point archer. I too would have something to say about dissecting a baby for exhibition, if the parents were still alive. Unless of course they consented to it... but that is another matter.

Was I wrong in interpreting that these exhibits are unclaimed bodies? As in, nobody knows them?

Call a baby a fetus then you are justified in killing it. Calling it something else makes killing it possible. Remember the holocaust in germany? First the jews had to be reduced to "vermin" in the eyes of the german people before they could all be killed.

Used to be "safe as a baby in the mother's womb."
Aint true anymore.

I guess just researchers are allowed to look at dead bodies, and if other people want to learn something, they have to read the textbooks?

So Nick, you have issues with abortion then? Your post seems to indicate something going on there.

But for the situation in the article, the babies were dead from X cause, prior do acquisition and dissection. Right?

Abortion, murder what is the differnce?

Corpses, including fetuses, have been used for centuries in anatomy lessons for medical students. Prepared under formalin they have also been shown on public exhibitions. I remember to have seen some as a child about 50 years ago and I found it very educative.
Nothing is wrong with that. The only thing new is that now a cadaver can be prepared without formalin and be preserved (nearly) forever and in a much better way. You can show bigger specimens because you don't have to put them in a jar filled with formalin. You can show the muscles in various situations. They can be colored in a more didactic way.
This allows a larger public to see them, anatomy students are no longer privileged. Who finds it freaky does not have to go there. The other visitors generally appreciate what they see and find it educative.

>> Abortion, murder what is the differnce?

I would argue the difference as simply consciousness. You have your right to your opinion and I don't suggest I am trying to change it. However, a collection of cells without consciousness is still simply a collection of cells. I agree that's a fuzzy line concerning where life begins but the world is a place full of gray issues. I am against terminating pregnancies after the 1st trimester, again just my opinion.

You will never convince me that early term abortions are wrong in this world where the population is growing even further beyond the planets capability to sustain it. People in other countries (Somalia) have already been fighting and dying for control of a well so that they can have water. I really think abortion should be a much smaller concern in the world where we can't even get food and water to the people already alive. THAT problem is only going to get worse.

I'm not saying anything about you in particular Drude but I am really tired of people trying to mandate the lives of others without giving there all to help solve the problem. If it's really so important, that your group should be able to mandate for all, then you should be able to name a number of things you have done to help solve the problem personally. A number of things I have thought that would help would be to donate to orphanages, adopt a kid, and donate to or support contraceptive education to avoid the pregnancies altogether.

Just my depreciated .02

Alan

They died of NATURAL causes, *** does your comment have to do with this discussion?

Answer: Not a d*mn thing!

Alan,

I agree that those of us who oppose abortion should be willing to put our money where our mouths are. In other words, adopt a needy child, or donate to those groups which will support single women who are pregnant to help them carry their baby to term. In some cases, it actually isnt their fault that they are pregnant.

However, the problem I have with yuour argument is that we dont know how to determine or detect consciousness. We think it's when we see certain brain waves. However, one could argue that since the mind is still developing and organizing itself until the child is like 5 or 6 years of age that they are truly conscious at that stage so why not kill them? Also, what if their are brain waves present but our ability to detect them isnt well enough developed to detect them? So, then who are we to determine when a life is truly consicous or not? We are nobodies. So, if we engage in terminating pregnancies or creating pregnancies which may be terminated then aren't we erroring on the wrong side? Shouldnt we error on the side of caution and of life? The only reason why we do NOT is because of selfishness and our desire to not have our lifestyles hindered.

And regarding this whole notion of overpopulation...in short it's a myth.

Humane methods of dealing with dead bodies:

1
Cryogenic suspention.

2
Some sort of other preservation, similar to this exibit.

3
Burrial.

4
Cremation. (did I spell that right?)

K, that's my list of most vs least humane uses of dead bodies.
The more preservation the better--I say.
=)

I am forced to wonder if folks like this would feel different if it was their baby who was diced up like a lab rat for nothing more than a exhibit.. it is my opinion this is what happens when people are clueless as to what death really is all about..

As far as who gives a crap.. you might be surprised.. I am sure are more than a few of us here who do.. I do.

Cold logic vs idealism and morality?
Where have I seen that before?... oh, everywhere!

Shoe,

I understand your point and concede it's a difficult decision. I will reserve any further discussion on abortion from my end until I do some more research into the life forming process.

As for overpopulation I have several questions for you. What do you think the maximum sustainable population is for earth? or do you think it's limitless?

If we're not overpopulated now @6.5billion, what about in 44 years when the estimation is 9.2billion?

Have you read Plan B 2.0? It's free to download and an interesting read.

While technology may be able to provide potable water to the population of the future, we've already surpassed the natural ability of the planet to provide fresh water to people now. This lack of freshwater is affecting government policy and food production throughout the world, including the US.

I believe we are over harvesting the oceans and the land, see the book for ocean stats and just watch the news about giant dust storms in China for the land aspect as well as the advancing Sahara and the mass elimination of tropical rain-forest to make way for human habitation and crops.

I'm interested in seeing what you're basing the overpopulation claim on. If you could point me to more information and/or research which you believe supports that I will definitely read it.

Have a good day,

Alan