Nanolabs ~ who loves them? =), Full story at http://www.physorg.com/news63301569.html

http://www.physorg.com/news63301569.html

I think that future nanofactories will hold incredible power for the nation.

Nanofactories are a long long way off! This is a research lab, and research labs aren't very efficient at making things. A nanofactory would have to be cost effective....and nanotechnology as people think of it now, is not at that level, unfortunately.....and look at the semiconductor industry. The infrastructure required to do this work is very very expensive!
This dream is still a few decades away in my opinion.

Nanofactories are a long long way off! This is a research lab, and research labs aren't very efficient at making things. A nanofactory would have to be cost effective....and nanotechnology as people think of it now, is not at that level, unfortunately.....and look at the semiconductor industry. The infrastructure required to do this work is very very expensive!
This dream is still a few decades away in my opinion.

I know that it was a lab, as the thread title said "nanolabs".

Fast and efficient molecular construction would make the global economy flop. If molecular construction got advanced enough, everything else would be inferior.

Ray Kurzweil predicted things about molecular construction -- that I didn't feel were as near as he imagined. For example: I think any portable molecular constructor device would be very beurocratic, and harder to get a lisence for then a gun is.

Anyways, enough about distant future possabilities in molecular construction.

What industry do you think holds the most power in civilization right now?
Oil & gas is a big, big one, but that's fuel, and I was wondering:
Do power/fuel industries hold the most powerful position economically? Or do the food producers hold the most power?

http://news.com.com/Nanotech+Is+it+soup+ye..._3-5911096.html

More info/news about the modern economics/funding of nanotech here^.
If I read strait...

John Johnson Posted: Feb 26 2006, 11:22 PM




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This company is a joke. They have been claiming to have a great process for disposing of all different kinds of waste with the by product being carbon.

Their latest claim of producing such pure Nanotubes is somewhat like Smoke and Mirrors magic tricks.

This company has been selling dreams, and promising their investors a great payback every year.

Most people invested in this company have heard this same old song and dance for 10+ years now.

If they have such a great process and product, why haven't they taken the company public?

This company's management should be investigated.

If you are invested in this company, email them and see if you can get a straight answer to your question.

They can make all the claims and reports they want to.
The bottom line to CleanTechNano.com, is SHOW US THE MONEY not another report.


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CLEANTEHNANO.COM CLEANTECHNOW.COM

I have to agree with John and the observations he made about cleantechnano.com.
I know several people that have invested in this company after being told that the company was very close to going public, and they would see a good return on their investment. Sad to say but I was deceived by this sales pitch from the top management person, who I thought I could trust. This has turned out to be the worst investment I have ever made. I have a bad feeling this is a take your money and run type company. If anyone wants to check out them more, try going to CLEANTECHNOW.COM, it's the same company run by the same people.
Yes they are also making the same big claims. I would have to caution anyone who is thinking about investing, or doing business with them, check them out before you give them any money or sign a contract. It appears the top management has been dragging their feet and pocketing any money that should be shared with their investors. If you know anything about this company please share your thoughts.
What is the hold up with CLEANTECHNANO.COM ?


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QUOTE (Donnie @ Mar 4 2006, 02:24 PM)


CLEANTECHNANO.COM CLEANTECHNOW.COM

I have to agree with John and the observations he made about cleantechnano.com.
I know several people that have invested in this company after being told that the company was very close to going public, and they would see a good return on their investment. Sad to say but I was deceived by this sales pitch from the top management person, who I thought I could trust. This has turned out to be the worst investment I have ever made. I have a bad feeling this is a take your money and run type company. If anyone wants to check out them more, try going to CLEANTECHNOW.COM, it's the same company run by the same people.
Yes they are also making the same big claims. I would have to caution anyone who is thinking about investing, or doing business with them, check them out before you give them any money or sign a contract. It appears the top management has been dragging their feet and pocketing any money that should be shared with their investors. If you know anything about this company please share your thoughts.
What is the hold up with CLEANTECHNANO.COM ?


CLEANTECHNANO.COMand CLEANTECHNOW.COM

Scam, or poor management?
I agree with your observations about this company.
Nanotube Technology is starting to get exciting.
Too bad Cleantechnano can't get their act together and start walking the walk, not just talking the talk.


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John Johnson Posted: Feb 26 2006, 11:22 PM

WWW.CLEANTECHNANO.COM

This company is a joke. They have been claiming to have a great process for disposing of all different kinds of waste with the by product being carbon.

Their latest claim of producing such pure Nanotubes is somewhat like Smoke and Mirrors magic tricks.

This company has been selling dreams, and promising their investors a great payback every year.

Most people invested in this company have heard this same old song and dance for 10+ years now.

If they have such a great process and product, why haven't they taken the company public?

This company's management should be investigated.

If you are invested in this company, email them and see if you can get a straight answer to your question.

They can make all the claims and reports they want to.
The bottom line to CleanTechNano.com, is SHOW US THE MONEY not another report.


Donnie Posted: Mar 4 2006, 02:24 PM


CLEANTEHNANO.COM CLEANTECHNOW.COM

I have to agree with John and the observations he made about cleantechnano.com.
I know several people that have invested in this company after being told that the company was very close to going public, and they would see a good return on their investment. Sad to say but I was deceived by this sales pitch from the top management person, who I thought I could trust. This has turned out to be the worst investment I have ever made. I have a bad feeling this is a take your money and run type company. If anyone wants to check out them more, try going to CLEANTECHNOW.COM, it's the same company run by the same people.
Yes they are also making the same big claims. I would have to caution anyone who is thinking about investing, or doing business with them, check them out before you give them any money or sign a contract. It appears the top management has been dragging their feet and pocketing any money that should be shared with their investors. If you know anything about this company please share your thoughts.
What is the hold up with CLEANTECHNANO.COM ?

Guest_Roger Posted: Mar 4 2006, 10:41 PM

QUOTE (Donnie @ Mar 4 2006, 02:24 PM)


CLEANTECHNANO.COM CLEANTECHNOW.COM

I have to agree with John and the observations he made about cleantechnano.com.
I know several people that have invested in this company after being told that the company was very close to going public, and they would see a good return on their investment. Sad to say but I was deceived by this sales pitch from the top management person, who I thought I could trust. This has turned out to be the worst investment I have ever made. I have a bad feeling this is a take your money and run type company. If anyone wants to check out them more, try going to CLEANTECHNOW.COM, it's the same company run by the same people.
Yes they are also making the same big claims. I would have to caution anyone who is thinking about investing, or doing business with them, check them out before you give them any money or sign a contract. It appears the top management has been dragging their feet and pocketing any money that should be shared with their investors. If you know anything about this company please share your thoughts.
What is the hold up with CLEANTECHNANO.COM ?



CLEANTECHNANO.COMand CLEANTECHNOW.COM

Scam, or poor management?
I agree with your observations about this company.
Nanotube Technology is starting to get exciting.
Too bad Cleantechnano can't get their act together and start walking the walk, not just talking the talk.




John J Posted: Mar 8 2006, 12:31 PM




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WWW.CARBONNANOFIBERS.COM

Here we go again. Check out their latest Web site. Scam, or poor management?
I agree with your observations about this company.
How many Web sites do they need ?
If they have a good product, put it on the market and sell it.
Hopefully they will share some of the profits with their investors.
This company is getting more confusing every day.
Check their new Web site www.carbonnanofibers.com and see what you think.


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QUOTE (John J @ Mar 8 2006, 12:31 PM)
WWW.CARBONNANOFIBERS.COM

Here we go again. Check out their latest Web site. Scam, or poor management?
I agree with your observations about this company.
How many Web sites do they need ?
If they have a good product, put it on the market and sell it.
Hopefully they will share some of the profits with their investors.
This company is getting more confusing every day.
Check their new Web site www.carbonnanofibers.com and see what you think.

WWW.CARBONNANOFIBERS.COM
WWW.CEANTECHNANO.COM
WWW.CLEANTECHNOW.COM

Scam, or poor management?
I agree with your observations about this company.
This has turned out to be the worst investment I also have made. I too have a bad feeling this may be a take your money and run type company. If anyone wants to check them out, email the top people and ask them what's going on with the company.
Maybe it's time for a change in the top management of this company. This company has potential. Why is the top management not taking the steps necessary to take the company public? Hard working people have invested in this company because they believed the company was on the right track. Now we are just wondering what happened to the track.
What happened to having a share holders meeting?
This company could at least let it's investors know what's going on.


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QUOTE (John J @ Mar 8 2006, 12:31 PM)
WWW.CARBONNANOFIBERS.COM

Here we go again. Check out their latest Web site. Scam, or poor management?
I agree with your observations about this company.
How many Web sites do they need ?
If they have a good product, put it on the market and sell it.
Hopefully they will share some of the profits with their investors.
This company is getting more confusing every day.
Check their new Web site www.carbonnanofibers.com and see what you think.

Maybe it's time for a change in the top management of this company.
www.cleantechnano.com
www.cleantechnow.com
www.carbonnanofibers.com

How do you vote the current management out and replace them with more of a progressive management team that will find a way to repay the investors????


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New management is difficult when current management owns a majority interest. If the product is real then you just need some patience - good things come to those who wait and rolling out a brand new and revolutionary process or product is not as easy as selling hot dogs or beer at a ball game. If the product is not real then by the end of this year it will become evident.

It does no one any good to offer these sour grapes and accusations - either provide evidence that the process is a fraud or have some patience. Investing in this type of start-up is, by definition, a high-risk investment but risk and reward are generally directly proportional so be patient and do not throw stones at those who are trying to make you money. If you wanted an investment with a quick return then you should not have invested in a start-up technology venture!

If you know any facts about the process or any misinformation that the company has provided then please share the information.

Thank You,


Will Posted: Mar 29 2006, 12:28 AM




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QUOTE (Andy S @ Mar 26 2006, 07:33 PM)
New management is difficult when current management owns a majority interest. If the product is real then you just need some patience - good things come to those who wait and rolling out a brand new and revolutionary process or product is not as easy as selling hot dogs or beer at a ball game. If the product is not real then by the end of this year it will become evident.

It does no one any good to offer these sour grapes and accusations - either provide evidence that the process is a fraud or have some patience. Investing in this type of start-up is, by definition, a high-risk investment but risk and reward are generally directly proportional so be patient and do not throw stones at those who are trying to make you money. If you wanted an investment with a quick return then you should not have invested in a start-up technology venture!

If you know any facts about the process or any misinformation that the company has provided then please share the information.

Thank You,

How do you vote the current management out and replace them with more of a
Progressive management team that will find a way to repay the investors????

New management is difficult when current management owns a majority interest.

If this is the true, then everyone that has invested in this company has
absolutely zero input, or right's on their investment and the way the company is being managed. I wonder how many investors were told this before they invested?
Does this mean they don't have to hold a share holders meeting?
Does this mean the company doesn’t have to let its investors know what's going on?
Grapes can be turned into some of the finest wine ever tasted.
If this process is flawed or it takes too long, then the result is vinegar.
The investors have had nothing but the bitter taste of vinegar for a long time.
It takes patience to hear the same old song and dance for 10+ years.
You stated, If you wanted an investment with a quick return then you should not have invested in a start-up technology venture!

Yes I think all of the investors would have to agree that they should have never invested in this type of company some 10 years later with a ZERO return on their investments.


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When you invest in stock for a company, you should sometimes, either go online, to that place, or visit them if you can.

This is your money, you are an investor, you have a right to know.



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Ditto to all the above.

Every contact I've made with this company has been-" In about X more weeks we're going to go public" or " We are going to be ...... " or "We are just about to ........." or -- some song and dance that would lead you to believe you made a wise investment.

All investment with zero return is not what I call a wise investment. Apparently a sham!


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Ditto to all the above.

Every contact I've made with this company has been-" In about X more weeks we're going to go public" or " We are going to be ...... " or "We are just about to ........." or -- some song and dance that would lead you to believe you made a wise investment.

All investment with zero return is not what I call a wise investment. Apparently a sham!

WWW.CARBONNANOFIBERS.COM

DARRELL, MATTIE, People believed what was said at the 2006 shareholders meeting. Please don't let 2006, be another year of broken promises.
DARRELL, once you had the respect and admiration of everyone who invested
in the company. Everyone believed in you. Be the man we all once respected and trusted. Give the investors a 2006 Christmas present.
It can happen, It should happen, So It's up to you to make it happen.

I feel that there has to be an environmental address top the new product of nanotechnologies, per-say.

This is because, this material, more than likely in some way, with finds its own way to disposal areas.

These structures, when smashed or dumped, yield powders so fine, that they can easily pass through most plant or animal cell walls.

There will have to be an honest approach, in a two way fashion, both disposer and manufacturer, on the subject of nanotechnology materials and how they will honestly affect the general environment, once left degraded?

Not to address this question, is either avoidance from a probable catastrophes fact, or sloth.

For example, note the beginning of the movie Screamer Two.

In the beginning of the movie, which deals with warring factions, in a distant planetary system, there seems to be strange activities, that are not understood as valid, via military intelligence.

What is not understood, are the actions of supposed controlled self intelligent battle robotics systems, known as the Screamers.
This is due to the distracting screaming sound, that they make, just before they attack.

In the beginning of the movie, a not known emissary of peace, tries to deliver a communications tube, to a remote outpost, which is guarded by the vicious screamers.

They attack and sever the arm of the message bearer.The communications tube, with holo-orders, is saved, prior to the screamers dragging their victim below ground.

What is presented within this movie, in a very skillful way, which is not apparent till later in the movie, is, was the message bearer of the communications tube, really a human, or a mere copy of one, to begin with?

The later question is also tossed out.

What happens in a nano-powders manufacturing plant, when abandoned materials, come into proximity of living tissue or plant matters.
These tiems have the potential of not only absorbing these disguarded super-fine powders, but adapting to them, within their biological range, of Mendelian applications?

Very big question, as you may end up with birds, that can peck through plate glass windows, worms that can tunnel through cement and steel, or rats that when packed together can attack and consume a human.

These postulates are only for beginning logic sets.

What happens when direction imbued nanobots, somehow get dumped on a remote computer control board.

Do these bots take their own initiative, and breed with this remote I.C. board?

This post has been edited by philip347 on Nov 4 2006, 05:34 AM

Hope I am not bursting bubbles, but the only thing nano has got going for it is its exotic nature.

Otherwise, actually I would put less faith in systems that are getting simpler and simpler individually. There is less room to conduct electrons, phonons, etc. Or from another angle, tunneling is more important, and the idea of separating barriers becomes less meaningful.

I am not against nanoscience, but seriously doubt that they it is the only key to progress for mankind.

Most nanoscale behavior is also inherently surface contact-based, which also makes me feel that efficiency is not an expected outcome generally.

How can there be clean nanotechnology when the material they are producing
is non bio degradable????

Their has been speculation that the governments HAARP project, which is
an electromagnetic laser that uses extremely low frequencies (ELF's). The story
line is it is a tommy gun to shoot down pollution. But the undertow is that
it is really an experiment to attempt to take out of our atmosphere the
nanoparticles that already exist in our atmosphere.

Sorry, as a newbie, I am not allowed to post links. But go to Google Search
and enter the word HAARP. Their are 709,000 titles on the subject of
our governments HAARP PROJECT.

WELCOME TO THE PROVERBIAL "PANDORA'S BOX". You will see the pros and
cons of this HUGE project. They are in the final stages of building another
facility in Alaska to further their research concerning the project of HAARP.

But remember group, most federally funded programs NEVER TELL THE WHOLE
TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH of what actually their programs are
truly about.

It is an interesting speculation, and HAARP is something to be aware of, but after checking www.crystalinks.com/haarp.html:

"Ionospheric heating cannot be performed while the sun illuminates the ionosphere for two reasons:Solar UV creates the ionospheric D-region, which absorbs the radio waves used for ionospheric heating. "

If this is true the attack window is pretty limited.

About night time. No sunlight.

I am thinking the radio waves bounce off the ionosphere and fry a target hundreds of miles away. Generally not a desired outcome.

philip347

I live in California. The tree species are dying all over the state. The trees are
in various stages of dying, but inside the wood is the coloring of the rust-red
of hematite. Some of the tree species it is in the bark. Our Hollywood Governor
recently funded a project to the tune of $800 million to see why the majestic
Oak species is dying in the state. None of that grant is see why any other
tree species is dying.
Also not all the tree species have this rust-red/orange red coloring in the wood.
But those species seem to be slowly dying also. Last year, Sacramento used
the excuse that beetle bugs was killing trees. I know enough about trees
and beetle bugs to know that they cannot kill the tree species they indicated
at the time unless that tree was already unhealthy in the first place.
The beetle bugs cannot destroyed a healthy tree in that manner.


And Guest

In the world of experiments, things don't always go as planned do they.
Frying targets hundreds of miles away is how they perfect the coordinates
in the end anyway isn't it??? No, not a desired outcome, but a possible
outcome nevertheless!!

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DARRELL, glad to see you are still the same stubborn control freak in 2007,
that you have been for the past 10 years. DARRELL do everyone invested in this comapny a big favor, step down, turn control of the company over to someone
that will help the investors who have made it possible for you tho have what you have. Your time to make the right decision is now.

Well, size matters..