Entangled Quanta, Complimentary Coherance Instantaniously

In this example, keeping it simple, lets take a exited calcium ion. In the excited state an electron is in a higher energie shell around the nucleus, but it's homesick! and wants to `get down' and relax! in the place it's used to being. When the electron does down to the lower shell the calcium atom emits two photons simultaneusly of two frequencies Blue&yellow photon pair( The sum total of their energie pertaining to their repective frequencies being = to the energy responsible for the electron initially being in the higher eneryg shell).Similar analoguous(but perhaps more complicate) thing would happen with an ion of any element/isotope - there isnt anything special about Calcium. But keeping with the photon pair from Calcium for the sake of this chat. Let consider that pair of Blue/yellow photons> They are quantum entangled. They are one and the same and also instantaniously becoming the comliment of each other when either is interfered with. Meaning that if in a immensely large vacume they were emited and flew of in differant directions for a distance of one light year(That would take a year) they would be 2 light years apart but still `one and the same' and if either was at that position interferend with they would instally both cohere into a reality that now one is definatly Blue and the other its complement is now yellow when for a year they where both blu&yellow at the same time throughout their jorney through space!
Then consider the distance between: 2 light years distance! Between these two Undecided&AmbiguousyMinded photons. It's a 50/50 probability that the one you interfer with coheres to a blue or yellow and the instant that that reality eventuates the other of the pair intantaniously becomes the comlementary color (left in the equation) of the interferded/cohered Quanta.`How' & `where' The connection between the pair at any point of their journey. In 3D they are `particles' - `packets of quanta' In 4D they are an elongating line relative to the starting point time(in the middle of the drawn line) so there is a trans-time conection where they where one and the same and in the same position. ---Please sudgest theoretical forces/particles/Etc/qualities resposibile for TransTime interplay

hi!
You realize, of course, that this is a s.f. scenario. Your answer, whoever gives it must also explain:
A signal is sent to the other photon saying,?? information must be contained in ?? and transported by??? mechanism??? through a connected pathway made of???
The message must be received at the other photon interpreted??? acted upon???
All of this must happen within XX??time.
ME??? DUH!!!
jal

Well, Jal - you can use my kids theory for explanation it, again... During spreading the photon or surface water wave a two waves are spreading, in fact. One si the photon wave alone and the second one is the underwater density wave - the photon's energy density wave of Aether! Don't forget, virtually each energy exchange increases the Aether density slightly at the place of energy spreading. You can imagine, each surface water wave is stirring the underwater environment slightly like the Rayleigh wave, thus making it more dense in isobaric arrangement.



Both these waves mutually depends each other and both they're able to recreate the exact original state of both of the entangled photons even after infinite time after pair separation. It means, no "information" is exchanged across the universe - each of those photons simply drags the corresponding part of the necessary information along (as the "hidden variable") - end of story.

As you can see, the explanation is a piece of cake for Aether Wave Theory as usually. It's explanation machine for dumb kids...

It seems to me that a varying density of space, ala the aether concept, is what one would expect from an attempt to express extra temporal dimensions using a geometry that is incapable of representing them. What's more parsimonious, a model that maintains a constant or varying nature of space?

The phenomenon of nonlocality comes from the correlation of the temporal components of the "entangled" entities. In the Reciprocal System, time and space are always conjugately related, and both are 3 dimensional (so there are 2 extra dimensions of time). The temporal component that provides the mechanism for the correlation, despite the distance involved, is referred to as "coordinate time".

http://www.reciprocalsystem.com/rs/cwkvk/nonlocality.htm

http://www.reciprocalsystem.com/nlst/nlst08.htm

Good day !
Neither one of you has given enough information for me to understand...therefore, never mine trying to make me believe.
jal

lol Ok so you are looking for some superficial understanding. Here's one that uses "cows and tractors" to explain it: http://www.joot.com/dave/writings/articles/entanglement/

Hi! Zenmaster...
That was not the "cows and tractors" explanation. That was the "standard explanation. It's very good.
Your links are good. I especially like the explanations about 3d time. Don't jump to conclusions I did not say that I believe it.
It does not deal with the subject of this thread.
jal

I believe, the entanglement understanding in Aether Wave Theory context is pretty straightforward and simple. The mass is proportional to energy by the Einstein's formula - OK? Therefore, the more energy density, the more mass density in vacuum. The photon wave has some energy, i.e. it increases a vacuum density, too - the density wave is simply following the photon wave like ghost from its very beginning, thus keeping the information about the spacetime state at the moment of the photon creation.



But even if we have a two photons with the same frequency and amplitude, such two photons can differ significantly. By which? By the phase against the density wave amplitude (it's the Bohm's "hidden variable"). Such phase was defined at the moment of photon wave creation and it can be never changed. It makes each photon pretty unique.

As the result, if two photons are separated from pair with corresponding density waves, the phase shift of both will match perfectly for all the photons lifespan. If some photon will be replaced by some other with different phase shift, the interference will never lead to the original entangled pair.

If you want to replace one of photon from entangled pair by some other one, you should create/found the photon not just with the same frequency and amplitude - but with the phase shift relative to its density wave to be fully successful in replacement.

Is such explanation of quantum entanglement TOTALLY CLEAR for You by now?

The whole problem is, you're not even able to distinguish between the problem explanation and just description. The Zenmaster is much more clever then you, because he can see such difference immediately. You're just believe in explanation, because it's "standard", LOL... Your naive understanding of science is simply kind of religion.

I can live with this - the more dumb the other people are, then better for me, of course...

But Your problem is quite general - for example, this explanation of quantum entanglement is surprisingly simple with compare of the most standard theories. But the people newer found it - why? Because they're believing, the Aether doesn't exist, because it's "standard way" of thinking. But it disables a lot of ways of thinking/understanding at the same time. Isn't it a quite pity?

As the result, a lot of people has believed or refuted the Bohm's of hidden variables concept like "mainstream way of thinking", but nobody can imagine, what it should be exactly.

The contemporary science just gradually reinvents this discharged theory again.

Zephir..... You are name calling....not very professional....not a very good answer to the problems that I raised for anyone wanting to answer the original question.
The problems have not been addressed.
jal

Do you have feeling, my response can be addressed for somebody else? Please, don't explain me, what the profesionality means...

I just hope, next time you'll be more carefull in classification of other ideas.

Jal to me: It does not deal with the subject of this thread.
The information may not be readily digestible or suitable to your taste, perhaps, but it's pertinent to your question. Try these:

http://www.arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0307117

http://www.arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0402127

http://www.arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0512168

Well, it's evident, both the nonlocality, both the signaling concepts are wrong. The information about each particle is pretty local and tightly connected with the reference frame of it. The signaling by the superluminal speed is quite unnecessary to consider, at this case. Instead of this, the Bohm's hidden variable concept should be reconsidered.

Everything is just as easy, as it can be. My question is, if you - or somebody else - have access to some off-line version of the second article, which appears to be unreachable directly from arxiv.org..? Thank you in advance.

Hi chrisrivos, Jal, Zenmaster and zephir,

The different colors of the photons would result in "differentiability" and that would destroy the entanglement. lets say that using spontaneous parametric down-conversion you produce two "matched" photons of opposite polarization. These are enantiomorphic twins. Tweedledee and Tweedledum. Since they were created in the one event they exist on the same wavefront no matter how far they travel. They can be on opposite sides of the galaxy but they are linked across the one wavefront at infinite phase velocity... check it out in EM theory. Destruction or measurement of one connects along that wavefront no matter how distorted and how far it has traveled. The transverse velocity is infinite since in the frame of reference of the original creation event they are still contiguous and are still one and the same. It is the apparent separation in space and the evolution in time that is the fiction for those two photons. There is a tendency to deal with everything as particles... so particles cannot connect over such distances. I suggest they are not particles but "waves" and they connect through a wave function along the wavefront. Read one polarization ... you have effectively read the other.

Zephir's answer is not sustainable since experiments have been performed to show that this conjecture is wrong (they carry the polarization always with them in a hidden variable). It has been shown that the event that determines the final states occurs faster than the speed of light.

Cheers

Well, you're scrambled as usually - I can't believe it...

What I'm saying is, the photon is the wave pocket and the phase of it is connected with the energy density wave of vacuum (which correspond the probability wave, defining it's Hamiltonian). Such connection is deeply imanent in Aether Wave Theory, as the basic math model of it is solely based on this insight. It result from the understanding of Aether as the elastic massive environment for energy spreading, created by the underlying energy spreading, recursivelly.

How you can say after than, my answer isn't sustainable with experiments? You're saying the same, just using different words. BTW, I've asked you before time not to attempt to plagiarize me by such way, so I repeating this demand again - such behavior is quite specific to you, here.

If the photons have spin/polarization, than the state if it depends on the phase shift as well. It's evident, you didn't understand the subject again - but it's a quite difficult for you to imitate and refute me at the same time, isn't it? And please, don't spam my mailbox at future.

Hi Good Elf ...
I agree with what you said for me....s.f. starts when we try to explain "collapses".."hidden variable", and the mechanism for faster than light communications. The speculation can be a lot of fun.
Is there anyone ready to invest their money in some equipment?
jal