New Voltage discovered, multi-directional current without a chan

It would be easy to superimpose a AC signal on a DC signal, in which case, neither AC or DC voltmeters would give you an accurate assessment. Instead of moving between -5 and + 5 it would move between +4 and +14 and so an AC signal without a change to negative voltage from the reference point of the ground.

So the Source would have 3 outputs, the DC offset to the ground, and the two AC outputs. Either of the AC lines would be a minimum 4 volts above the ground, so "No change in polarity" but I see no utility in this.

Has anyone got a clearer view of WHAT the poster is describing or WHY it would be useful?

I believe that is covered in figure 9 of Mr. Sullivans patent.

Or are you describing something different?

There is one benefit that is not so obvious, and you need to look at it as a power source to understand. From the sully DC power power station, across the Sully DC power lines, and too your Sully DC powered device there is no change in current direction within the wires so there is not the EMF loss/hazard associated with AC, but you still have the switching benefits of AC.

This is all he's doing:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v313/zooboo/SULLYBS2.gif

Note that he goes from forum to forum making the same claims, getting the same rebukes, and then starting over from the beginning in a new forum. He's wasting alot of peoples' time as they keep drawing him these explanatory diagrams, not aware that others have already done so. Every time a diagram is drawn he simply switches to a dissimilar schematic to make it look like the other guy missed something, or else he changes from claiming a "third form of electricity" to claiming enhanced electrolysis, and then he'll switch back when that fails. Over and over, all over the web. By comparing his speech mannerisms to the wikipedia articles I think this guy is Sullivan himself. Also the hydrogen and oxygen are in the same vessel, so this thing is a nifty bomb! So it's only a matter of time before he accidentally blows up his lab and claims "special interests" blew it up to "suppress" his "discovery".

Hi there writerofwrongs - I didn't necessarily mean you to come here and waste your time again, just pointing out that we doubted this some time ago and jwensveen did point out that the magnetic effects may help release gas bubbles from the electrodes. This factor was not discussed again. Then it resurfaced on BAUT with magnetic claims this week.
I hope you find most of the forum more scientific than this topic started, although we do seem to be the courier for all kinds of nonsense these days.

I'm going to try to stumble through an explanation.

Lets use figure 12 from the patent for discussion to avoid confusion:
rexresearch.com/sullivan/fig12.jpg

SDC requires at least one extra PHYSICAL dimension in the current path which is the fluid electrolyte[Water + Electrolyte]. Through wires you can only have AC or DC in their various forms. SDC has characteristics that are found in both AC and DC that would seem to be mutally exclusive, and they are in a single dimensional circuit.

In figure 12 you see two wires. One is connected to the two positive terminals, and the other to the two negative terminals. The four switches are alternated 180 degrees out of phase. In the first half of the cycle current flows from one pole through the wire, then through the coil to all points where conductor is touching the fluid medium, then across the medium to the other wire, and on to the opposing pole. At no time are there any more than two poles with a switch closed. In the second half of the cycle the current path is the same except that its coming from the opposite end of the wire.

Think of the coil as having two single dimensional connections, and one multi-dimensional connection. Through the connection between the two power supply poles you have AC current without changing polarity. Through the connection between the poles and the medium you have DC current[in single dimensional terms. Actually its SDC].

Through the coil the direction of the current flow changes, but polarity never changes. Through the medium the current flow between anode and cathode never reverses, but its physical direction through the medium does change. It sort of sways back and forth without reversing direction. In absolute terms using one dimensional measurments you have continuous DC current flow between anode and cathode. It has all the properties of DC, but since the current flow though the medium is changing directions the current takes on the magnetic properties of AC current.

You only need to change the direction, not reverse directions.

It is DC with a property normally associated with AC.

And it is AC with a property normally associated with DC.

The effect cannot be reproduced with AC or DC. The properties are mutually exclusive in those systems. The new physical dimension in the circuit allows the current to possess an additional electrical property.

If you are having a hard time understanding don't feel bad. I can't begin to do even the simplest parts of the math, but I can visualize what is happening in my mind.

And I think 3DC [implying new dimensions] might be a better term, but Mr. Sullivan might not like the idea.

Michael

Have you considered that the magnetic properties are not what you would expect from continuous DC current?

And what about the time component in this same continuous DC current?

You need to add another dimension to the current path in your considerations.

The path through the water is not the same as through a wire.

I see no indication that ArchAngel ever opened a textbook on Electromagnetism.
Otherwise he would have seen that current density as vectorial field in thrre dimension is nothing new.

I recommend Feynman's Lectures on Physics, Vol. 2.

So what is its' use?

If I'm not mistaken - if all information on how to replicate an invention isn't included in the patent application, the patent is automatically void.

So, Mr Sullivan's claims should be easily verified by simply building the apparatus described in the patent.
If it doesn't work (because he intentionally left out his 'secret twist'), his claim is void.

Is it new to control and use this to effect the way Mr. Sullivan has?

Is it new to control and use this to effect the way Mr. Sullivan has?

You are moving the goalposts.

In your other post above you go on and on about the dimensions. You even bolded parts of the patent pointing out: "If the electrodes themselves move, or extend over two or three-dimensions, for example a plane or a curved plane, then the currents will move in three-dimensions."

I simply pointed you to a textbook on Electromagnetism showing that "currents in three dimensions" is nothing new. Instead of accepting the correction, you say "It is not about dimensions, it is about control!", thus moving the goalposts.
No, ArchAngel, knowing the medium, by controlling the electrodes you control the current density: nothing new.

You are clearly under the delusion that circuit theory is all we know about Electromagnetism. Go to a library and you'll see that circuit theory is only an approximated subset of it.

And where is it that anyone has used switching to control current density without switching polarity as in Mr. Sullivans patent?

I'm sure you can control it with geometry, or by moving the electrodes, but that is incidental. YOU are not controling it, it is controling you by putting up hoops for you to jump through.

You may even be able to do things that were impossible before.

Like stopping an ionic vortex from spinning with SDC, and controling rotation with asymmetrical switching phases.

The required change in direction can be satisfied by reversing direction.

ArchAngel, you are still ignoring my point and trying to shift the subject.

You made a big deal about the dimensionality of the current flow in the patent, trying to sell it a something new. All this talk about control, now, is just an attempt to change the subject.

I simply pointed out that the current density as a vectorial field in three dimensions is nothing new in Physics. You just need to go to a library and you'll see it for yourself: just look at Maxwell's equations.

Why do you think Mr. Sullivan refers to it as multi-directional current?

This talk about controling it is the point you should have gotten from the very beginning.

No one was saying the idea of multi-dimensional current flow was new.

The idea of controling it, and putting it to use with the SDC switching, and circuit design is new.

The subject is control, and use of multi-dimensional current.

You were not understanding the subject so what changed was your understanding, not the subject.