Many Worlds interpretation of QM, multiple universes for each measurement?

Hi yquantum, fivedoughnut, zephir, simulus et al,

I have often heard quoted that the Universe "flips a coin" to decide the outcome of events. I know for a fact that the flip of a coin could be predicted based on an accurate understanding of the dynamics of the particle. I suppose you are then going to say that there is some other "mechanism" used by the Universe to resolve its difficulties when it finds itself in a quandary of "indecision". Is there any proven mechanism here at that level of the Universe that you can point to that is the "clincher" for "coin flipping" at the quantum level or in this case the many world level. If you can't finger that mechanism perhaps we should start this again and try and decide the real basis of "many worlds". Is a "world"... the result of this "flipping process"... equally probable as any other world (no matter how remote from our present world)? If not then this is not a "flipping process" and you need to think again. The Universe does not have a gaming table only the Casinos. The outcomes of chance in a system "might" be due to the inability to correctly predict a process due to lack of the correct information regards the measurables of a system.

I haven't heard any scientific argument against my interpretation yet... a lot of personal religious beliefs but no substance. Remember this world does build technology and that technology is exhibiting this phenomenon. No coin flipping going on there... it is straight electronics.

Oh fivedoughnut you can't say "I predict symmetry is fully restored in other brane continuum(s) via higher dimensional vacuolar collapse." I have already said that the symmetry is only broken as seen from certain external relativistic non-inertial frames of reference. This can be at least demonstrated through experiment. Your theory does nothing more than state a possible observation... you need a reason for why your observation is going to be valid. Guessing does not count.

Cheers

No point in quoting the whole of Good_Elf's post .. a particular point..

Imho Young's two slit experiment is the experimental clincher for coin flipping. At the single photon level it seems the result is unpredictable by any physics or theory available to us. Only when the experiment is repeated many time does order emerge from the chaos. It should be remembered that this is far more than a simple 'flipping' .. the result is ultimately a continuous curve .. infinitely more variation than a simple choice between this and that.

One can choose between a universe where the two slit experiment reveals something that is built into every nucleus, atom, molecule, and thus into the entire fabric of the universe, alternatively one can choose to believe that the atom is made of electrons going round the nucleus like little planets .. once we know where the planets are we can make perfect predictions.

Hopefully Good_Elf will 'finger' the mechanism that supports the planetary view of the atom. Alternatively his view that there is a mechanism but we don't know what it is should stand in line with the other religions - awaiting proof.

5dn's suggestion seems to be that the universe keeps discarded results in a pocket somewhere else.. does it play them later, play them somewhere else, or just keep them as a souvenir of all the places it didn't go?

I'll drink to that.

-C2.

In common interpretation, the vacuum is distinguished from observable mass in its properties. In Aether terminology, both the vacuum, both the elementary particles are coming from the same environment, the particles are simply more dense parts, i.e. "loupes" of the Aether with compare of vacuum.

It's rather different concept, sometime is used terms like "fabric of space", "quantum foam", "Dirac's sea" etc.. which are confusing as well. The Aether is classical and well established terminology for the environment for the light spreading by its public definition.

The Everett hypothesis is just a model of real situation, which I'm describing. No new universe is created by the motion of particles, just the more dense place ("additional density of vacuum", "gravity lens") is created at the place of particle. Did you catch my explanations at all? It's incredibly simple.

What interpretation do you exactly mean, please?

The same... I didn't catch any interpretation of quantum effects, which supports such view. Can you quote it?

Good Elf,

Don't you think this explains the kinetic energy, mass energy ratio variance, a totally interconnected multiverse with seemingly isolated planes of existance, the possibilities of mass-energy interconversion, hyperspacial communication, other hyperspacial technologies....just the tip of the iceburg "reason enough".
As you have done, I've worked down with my modelling. However, for me there were never ever any preconceived ideas. I based my original concepts on trying to explain the supposedly mystical qualities of quantum effects, now I'm faffing around with zero dimensional space.....it was never a case of trying to "see" by standing on the shoulders of giants...as I'd perceived they'd all been looking over the wrong fence.

It's evident, you didn't catch my explanation at all - the particle can really pass through both the holes at the same time. It's divided to the multiple parts by the vacuum fluctuations and restored again from it at the different place.



Such process appears again and again repeatedly in time, the moment of passing through some holes isn't exception.

Hi fivedoughnut,

You are entitled to speculate... just trying to get you on the course of being a Scientist rather than the Politician.

Cheers

Politician.....Ouch! that hurt...now cease that dunny talk

Hi Zephir,

I doubt very much that photons split up and rejoin again as you have shown there. That would involve dynamic processes that are not part of our physics. Half a photon would have half the energy and since the velocity remains C this would mean half the frequency. Then the interference pattern would not be as indicated. You then have to join them back up again... don't think so.

If you look at the geometry of this EM radiator you will see that if the wavelength is equal to the distance between successive in-phase crests of this ensemble of photons being emitted you will also notice a spreading in the direction perpendicular to the direction of propagation (sort of "pancakeification"). One single photon has the same geometry as a million photons, they all occupy the same space. In this diagram it occupies approximately about pi radians nearly for a fundamental dipole radiator. In a real radiator it might be a lot smaller than this angle but you can gather that any spreading of this magnitude a relatively small distance from the source will encompass quite a large target zone some short distance away... easily "covering " both interference slits of the Young's Experiment. Imagine how big this effective "shadow" would be cast if a photon was traveling from a neighboring Galaxy yet in the end only one tiny flash somewhere will be the end result. All the while the wavelength remains constant only the size of the "pancake" varies.

The sneaky bit is that an infinite number of photons can occupy the same volume in space (unlike fermions) so the power output is perfectly scalable in radio transmitters or other radiators of EM radiation, it is just the total number of photons emitted that is varied. The end result will be when the single light quantum is "precipitated" from the "Uberspace" by an interaction it can happen anywhere along that backplane. It is then easy to see why a large number of singly emitted photons will build up the pattern in time since each one "senses" all the surrounding space and that includes both slits. Speaking in Bohmian terms only the photons that actually have a trajectory through one or other of the slits will actually form the interference pattern. If the "barriers" are thick enough they can stop the tunneling process for photons that are traveling in any other direction ... illuminating the outside of the apparatus.

The soliton "wave-particle" is tunneling or refracting through all those fermion barriers and other local "matter waves" in a higher space. It is all part of that description above. As you see this "wave pattern" is not actual waves in 3D + T but the "projection" of these higher dimensional patterns into our "flat space-time". What we see is similar to the shadows cast by a single "point source" streetlight on the pavement by a pedestrian strolling away from the source. There is an inverse square "distortion" applied. This is actually not seen for any individual photon by any observer since only "interactions" can be seen. Yet a pattern can be captured with the right technology... you are looking at it here in the animated gif image.

Cheers

I'm afraid, the real situation can much more worse, than you can even imagine, Good Elf. Not just only the photons, but both the gluons, both the gauge bosons and even the Higgs/Goldstein's bosons are separated as well. And not only the bosons, the fermions are slitted as well. The vacuum is very dynamic, the particles are formed a annihilated all the time, so they can appear at the different places, they're literally spreaded through some area of vacuum, having no certain place. This is how such particle can appear in vacuum.



I believe, the whole particle has no exact shape, it's widespread through the torsion deformation of vacuum across a large amount of density fluctuation - just the internal topology of it's deformation remains...

Does anyone take seriously the Many Worlds interpretation of Quantum Mechanics anymore? According to this interpretation, each time a measurement is made, a universe is generated for each possible outcome state, with the observer in each universe only observing that outcome, and obviously unaware of the other universes.

This seems like a mechanism of generating multiple universes right then and there, but I don't know if it is taken seriously anymore.

Amrit: science fiction

I'll drink to that.

-C2.

.....discarded, nah still interconnected in a wonderful multi-dimensional tapestry.
Although, we're sadly only privy to a mere few layers of it stitches.....bummer!

As for beer....Sunday lunchtime soon.....whoopie!

Zephir, Good Elf et. al.,

I may not have completely comprehended all your explanations yet. I don't think I have the same theoretical background. The posted images are pretty neat.

But I do wonder about the double-slit experiment on a single photon basis. Under low intensity, the detector will register photon 'hits' at random places, but after accumulation the interference pattern is seen. It is the macroscopic average pattern.

MWI doesn't seem to help here.

From what I've heard the two main interpretations of QM are Copenhagen (wave-function collapsing) and MWI (universe collapsing). In the end, both are just tools to help understand events with probabilities.

I agree. But you can bring up the probability world as the massive environment full of density waves, like tha water full of Brownian motion. You're formed by such environment by the same way, like me and the other world. Such inhomogeneities are transparent for the light, being a quite subtle. But they're behaving like lens fluctuations, changing the path f the light and the other interactions randomly.

As the result, out world isn't solely deterministic at low scales by the same way, as the water surface isn't very deterministic with respect of the surface wave spreading, because it contains the Brownian motion density micro-fluctuations.

This isn't some "tool for understanding", but the most fundamental explanation of the quantum world effects.