Yin_yang of spacetime and matter, finding the shape of space/time

Hi gadfly!
I will look at what you are saying.... I had previously brought out the similarity with Carlo Rovelli in my Inverse Square Law thread.
At the moment my head is spinning from trying to understand The Metron Model by K. Hasselmann.
I could end up changing my mind about a lot of stuff.
So far, I've been able to determine that his approach is that the structure of space is responsible for what we perceive and measure. (You better be good at math to understand what he is saying. It's looks like the math that I was saying must be out there.)
I think that if he had used the packing approach his presentation would be a lot easier. (There are 12 d but we only see 3d)
jal

Hi jal:

K Hasselmann may be correct about The Metron Model’ [MM]. I speculate that perhaps MM, if valid, likely will unify with LQG and some type of string theory, if both of these are valid, just as matrix mechanics is dual to wave mechanics [although NOT yet demonstrated in the Monstrous Moonshine Lie superalgebra].

David Hestenes [physics emeritus, ASU] has a great website for Geometric Algebras.
http://modelingnts.la.asu.edu/
He is specifically lucid in ‘Universal Geometric Calculus’ dealing with Lie, Grassmann and Clifford Algebras and many other important topics in QM that may relate to GR.
http://modelingnts.la.asu.edu/html/UGC.html

Somebody named Clifford something said that matter is the structure of space in the 1880's.

Hi C2 and everyone!
It seems that I’m posting bigger and bigger posts every time that I want to pass on some information.
I hope that you can all help me with the following approach.
The big challenge, which is being undertaken by many on this forum, is to make “A DYNAMIC WORKING MODEL OF SPACETIME.”

My approach is to use a minimum size of a spacetime unit which I called a SPOT.
(see my presentation.)
By using a CUBIC PACKING AND a HEX PACKING of these SPOTS, in 3d, I end up with spheres which have a double hexagram void in the middle. This results in having 12 paths for information to flow from point A to point B.

Since we cannot detect spacetime then a presumption would be that the spots are arranged in a neutral configuration FOR DETERMINING A SYMMETRICALLY STRUCTURED SPACETIME.
How could the spots be arranged?
A balanced arrangement would work.

Here is a line of investigation that looks interesting.
MAGIC SQUARES, MAGIC HEX., MAGIC CUBES FOR DETERMINING A SYMMETRICALLY STRUCTURED SPACETIME.

http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/pickover/mathcon.html
The Zen of Magics Squares, Circles, and Stars by Cliff Pickover

p. 1… S = N(N^2+1)/2 which gives the sum for each of the rows and columns for a magic square. (5 must be in the center for a 3 X 3 square)
p. 97 .... S = ½(N^4+N) which gives the sum for each row, columns and diagonal for a magic cube. ( 14 must be in the center for a 3 X 3 X 3 cube and S = 42.) There are 4 such cubes, not counting reflection and rotations.
There is no perfect cube of order 2, 3 or 4. The definition has been relaxed so that semi perfect magic cubes can be created for all orders higher than 2. These cubes have only row, columns and 4 space diagonals that are magic.

However, there are millions of perfect order-8 magic cubes and for powers of 8.
Doesn’t this make you realize that packing is important in understanding the universe?
The Heims people should investigate the relationship between the 8 dimensions used by Heim and the perfect order-8 magic cube. This could be more than coincidence. { S = ½(N^4+N) }.
They have already found the GOLDEN RATIO.

http://www.drking.plus.com/hexagons/magic/hexagram.html
Magic Hexagrams
The task is to arrange the numbers 1 to 12 in the triangles, so that each row (horizontal and diagonal) adds up to the same (magic) constant.
The following two solutions are unique (excluding reflections and rotations):-


They are complementary - i.e. swap 1 & 12, 2 & 11, 3 & 10, 4 & 9, 5 & 8, and 6 & 7 in either hexagram to get the other.
The magic constants (the sum of each of the 6 possible rows) are 33 and 32 respectively.
Could the cubic and the hex. configurations of the spots be represented by these two arrangements and thereby make a neutral configuration of spacetime?
Here are more approaches which might be correlated with the wave function of particles.

http://www.drking.plus.com/hexagons/magic/star.html
Magic Stars of David
There are 80 unique magic stars, excluding reflections and rotations. These can be arranged as a basic set of 20, where each one of these 20 can be transformed into 3 further stars eg by swapping the cells with the same colour here (eg swap the 2 red cells, the 2 yellow cells, etc):

This transformation can be repeated on the other 2 axes at 120 degrees to the one shown, giving us a total set of 4 stars.
You can easily see why this works: the top row of coloured cells all end up swapped with the bottom row, so both these rows are still magic; each diagonal row only experiences a change of position of the same cells - eg the 2 red cells still stay on the same row - and thus stay magic.
Here is a text file with all 80 magic stars

From Harry Langman, Ph.D., Play Mathematics, Hafner Publishing Co. 1962.
http://www.geocities.com/~harveyh/unusustr.htm

This star contains the consecutive numbers 1 to 12 arranged so that all six small triangles sum to 17. The complement of this star (each number subtracted from 13) has each triangle summing to 22.
There are two other such arrangements, with the triangles summing to 18 and 19.
Each of these has a complement, summing respectively, to 21 and 20.
Note that the star (17), as a whole, is not magic but that (26) is magic.
Would we need a Five-in-One star to represent how a spot creates a particle?
This pattern was constructed by a Mr. Morton about 1915. It appears as fig. 678 on page 348 of W. S. Andrews, Magic Squares and Cubes, Dover Publ. 1960

The innermost star (heavy red) is an upside-down Pattern 7A, and uses the consecutive numbers from 1 to 14 so is a pure magic star. It is an equivalent to basic solution number 71.
The blue star (S = 120) also has 4 numbers per line. It is also an upside down Pattern 7A.
The Violet star (S = 144) has 6 numbers per line and is an upside down pattern 7B.
The light red star (S = 340) has 10 numbers per line and is also a pattern 7B.
The Green outside star (S = 520) also has 10 numbers per line and is a pattern 7A.
The author used the numbers from 1 to 101 for this construction. Six of these numbers were not used and three of them were used twice.
WOULD THE MAGIC BOX/CUBE/HEX BE A VALID APPROACH TO FINDING HOW A SYMMETRICALLY STRUCTURED SPACETIME IS PUT TOGETHER?
DUE TO IT'S SYMMETRY, WE CANNOT DETECT IT.
JAL
PS
To get an idea of how old this kind of thinking is look at The Mysteries of Vedic Mathematics:Sacred Geometry Squares and the Golden Mean
(Don’t let the “claims and trappings” hide the underlying knowledge.)

LATE EDIT:
Correction for saying "perfect order-8 magic cube" for Heim.

I should have said a semi perfect (order-4) magic cube?

It could also mean that Heim was trying to conceal the fact that he use the magic cube as a template to derive the mass of the particles.
Jal

Hi!
For those who are not familiar with "magic Square"
read http://mathworld.wolfram.com/MagicSquare.html

jal

Jal,

Just an abstract thought .....could magic squares etc be subsets of a magic circle...i.e, multiverse?

[B][I][FONT=Courier][SIZE=14][COLOR=red]What we can do is try to create and hypothiesis frist and go through the steps and prcess to figure it out

Do you think it is possible that time could transform into space and space into time?

I started asking this question after being exposed to the book: The Twin Dimensions: inventing time and space.

It's obvious, the time and space are in mutual duality by the same way, like the potential & kinetic energy or the electromagnetic and electrostatic field. By relativity theory, the mutual transforms of space into time is reciprocal, so that the space-time curvature remains constant. The AWT explains the transform of space into time by common phase transform mechanism of dense Aether matter.



This post has been edited by Zephir on Sep 2 2006, 08:03 AM

By relativity theory, the mutual transforms of space into time is reciprocal, so that the space-time curvature remains constant

zephir i never heared that space can transform into time
please can you support that idea with some formulas

By relativity (and Maxwell's aether theory of light, too) the light speed is invariant by its very nature.
So if you increase the space, you should increase the time too, so that the the light speed remains constant.

This post has been edited by Zephir on Sep 2 2006, 09:18 AM

zephir you are a "hocus pochus" thinker sometime

So if you increase the space, you should increase the time too, so that the the light speed remains constant.

what an idea here above
zephir meditate over...................
i have no comments
i can not have comments on such a crep
HOW YOU WİLL İNCREASE SPACE !!!!!!!!!!!?????????

This post has been edited by amrit on Sep 2 2006, 04:34 PM

A quite easily- it's a pretty cheap trick, in fact .. By AWT the space is formed by membranes of Aether foam. You can increase the space by increasing of density of foam. How exactly? By introducing of energy.



Such energy makes the membranes vibrate at the "higher pitch", so they will contract itself, thus forming a smaller bubbles. As the result, the new bubbles will be formed and the space becomes "larger". After all, by the very same way "expands" our Universe, like dense star, collapsing by its own gravity

This post has been edited by Zephir on Sep 2 2006, 05:06 PM

zephir we can talk only about change of "curvature-density" of space that depends on amount of matter into given volume of space

YOU CAN NOT İNCREASE SPACE OK!?

This post has been edited by amrit on Sep 3 2006, 06:46 AM