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Zephir
Posted: Jan 20 2006, 12:51 PM


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QUOTE (amrit @ Jan 20 2006, 03:46 PM)
...the number (13,7 bills year or so..) describes the numerical order of a certain event that has happened in cosmic space...

Numerical order?? Which events? Be more specific, please...


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  Posted: Jan 20 2006, 01:11 PM


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Numerical order?? Which events? Be more specific, please...

Amrit: universe has a long hystory, sure something has happend 13 bil years ago.
but not in time, into space only.

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QUOTE (amrit @ Jan 20 2006, 12:08 PM)
BLINDPANDA.
We've heard you say this atleast 10 times now. The photon does not matter. Matter matters right now. You have no clue what you are talking about.

Amrit: no, it is for the second time. You say the photon does not matter.
Did you heare for the formula: E = mcc ?
My dear, photon matters, much.


I have no clue what I'm talking about.
That's a good joke.
It will take you at least three days to become aware about your statement:
The photon does not matter. Matter matters right now.
E = mcc, ........E=mcc..............E=mcc............

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this post is for all participantes des discussiones del tempo:

friends:

your definition of time is: time is not motion, motion exists in time (1)
my definition of time is: time is motion (2)

definition (2) is proved with the way we measure motion, we measure duration of motion with clocks, motion and time are identical, one physical phenomena

definition (1) it will be difficult to prove, definition (1) sees time and motion as a two different physical phenomena

please describe here at least one scientific experiment which proves:
-first: particles and bodies move in time (motion exists in time)
-second: with clocks we measure time

definition (1) is metaphysical, Einstein was aware of that, he takes time away its independency. In SR symbol t indicates the duration of the movement of light into space from A to B.
X4 = i x c x t
In SR time t is an element in the formula that describes the fourth coordinate X4.
Idea that time is a fourth dimension of space is not exact.
Time is a movement of particles and bodies into a-temporal 4D physical space.

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WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT PHOTONS! We are talking about matter. Our what if is about matter, NOT PHOTONS! We are looking at the left side of E = MCC.

"my definition of time is: time is motion (2)"

as the other person pointed out. Motion = change in time. So if time = motion, then..

Time = Motion = Change in Time

IT MAKES NO SENSE!
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QUOTE (amrit @ Jan 18 2006, 01:18 PM)
Time is movement, movement is time; two words that describe the same physical phenomena.

Time is a motion. Catch up to it and it goes slower.
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BLINDPANDA: WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT PHOTONS! We are talking about matter. Our what if is about matter, NOT PHOTONS! We are looking at the left side of E = MCC.

"my definition of time is: time is motion (2)"

as the other person pointed out. Motion = change in time. So if time = motion, then..

Time = Motion = Change in Time

Amrit:
that's all nonsense above and it shows you do not understand the subject of time at all

All in the universe is energy: matter is energy, electromagnetic waves are energy, space is energy
We have to ask ourselves: what is time ?
There are two options:
1.time is energy
2. time is movement of energy

for me second options sounds better

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Posted: Jan 21 2006, 01:02 AM


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QUOTE (amrit @ Jan 20 2006, 10:07 PM)
that's all nonsense above and it shows you do not understand the subject of time at all

Armit, you are done. Nobody agrees with you, stop emailing me. You are wrong. Face it. TIME CAN NOT BE MOTION, TIME IS PART OF MOTION!!
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BLINDPANDA: TIME CAN NOT BE MOTION, TIME IS PART OF MOTION!!

AMRIT: which part ?


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QUOTE (amrit @ Jan 21 2006, 07:23 AM)
BLINDPANDA: TIME CAN NOT BE MOTION, TIME IS PART OF MOTION!!

AMRIT: which part ?

Which part? What did I just post! READ!

Motion = Change over time.

See where it says time? THAT PART. The part that references an interval between two points on the temporal continuum.

Armit. The debate is over. You have been proven wrong time and time again. I don't expect you to back down, because quite frankly, there is something wrong with you. So have your last posts, but everybody can see plain and simple that what you say has as much spine as a jellyfish.
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time exists in space only as a motion, you want or not
I'm also happy to finish discussion with you because your statements are without any logic:

Time is a part of movement, time causes movement and all kind of n
so have a good time and please do not comment my post, and will not comment yours

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QUOTE (amrit @ Jan 21 2006, 01:12 PM)
A prominent scientist conducted an experiment. He trained a flea to jump when it heard a bell. He then removed one of the flea’s legs and found that it would still jump in response to the bell. The scientist wrote in his laboratory notebook, “Upon removing one leg, all flea organs function properly.”



Next, he removed the flea’s second leg, and found that it sill responded to the bell by jumping. He wrote, “Upon removing a second leg, all flea organs continue to function properly.”



Thereafter he removed each of the flea’s legs, one by one, and the flea continued to jump in response to the bell. Each time the scientist carefully noted in his notebook that the flea’s organs continued to function. Finally, he removed the last leg and rang the bell. This time the flea did not jump. This observation he recorded in his notebook.



In order to insure the statistical accuracy of his study the scientist repeated this experiment several times. In each case the fleas jumped on command until their last leg was removed. After several days of painstaking work the scientist finally wrote his conclusions: “When their legs are removed, a flea…”

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I hope you see what you are doing.
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i did not write all that my name is under
please remove it
you sign your statements
i will sign my statements


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I know the official interpretation of this interesting result - but it seems, the true reason was, the flea had become an animal rights activist....
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Hi Zephir

I did not read it, only half of a first line. n.
When you will have some new results regarding your ETT (Empty Time Theory) let me know.

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QUOTE (Zephir @ Jan 21 2006, 02:01 PM)
I know the official interpretation of this interesting result - but it seems, the true reason was, the flea had become an animal rights activist....

Exactly.

.. right, armit?! laugh.gif
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Empty Time? We have no final experimental proof yet. All apparatus seems stop working...
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