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reasonwhy
Posted: Jan 16 2006, 02:35 AM


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QUOTE (MMC @ Jan 15 2006, 04:13 PM)
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Is it possible to direct the nuclear blast?


Technically, yes, the principle is slightly different, in that, its about offsetting the energy at the time of detonation...normally, it is achieved by placing it in a cone hollowed out of solid rock and shaping the device so that the reaction spreads faster in a single direction. You will lose a lot of the energy of the device, however, for most purposes it will suffice...there would still be substantial damage to the surrounding area.

Unlike convential devices...you could not place a side facing the enemy and survive on the other.





What if you used the cement foundation of the core instead of rock?
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Posted: Jan 16 2006, 03:15 AM


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QUOTE (brian @ Jan 15 2006, 11:35 PM)
From Reality Check -

"Even if what you say about any fusion system is true...."

"...Oh, and before you go on the attack and imply I am ignorant of fusion technology research ..yada yada yada"

Is it true then? Or ARE you ignorant?

Reality Check, MMC is dealing with this REALITY below - you ramblings are unlikely to change it are they not, in reality like?

http://forum.physorg.com/index.php?showtop...indpost&p=53881


BRIAN,

You are as mistaken and careless here as you are elsewhere. You apparently missed that part about my being currently involved in PATENTING certain fusion fuel/systems innvovations. Anyone so doing would hardly be acting wisely if he were to be too specific about what is/is not 'correct' about these aspects in an open forum. On the other hand, MMC is NOT SO BOUND/RESTRICTED, and since it is HE doing the asserting, he is at liberty to PROVE anything he can, if he can. Have you yourself any original/relevant PHYSICS/KNOWLEDGE to add to the discussion?

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QUOTE (MMC @ Jan 15 2006, 04:13 PM)
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Is it possible to direct the nuclear blast?

Technically, yes, the principle is slightly different, in that, its about offsetting the energy at the time of detonation...normally, it is achieved by placing it in a cone hollowed out of solid rock and shaping the device so that the reaction spreads faster in a single direction. You will lose a lot of the energy of the device, however, for most purposes it will suffice...there would still be substantial damage to the surrounding area.

Unlike convential devices...you could not place a side facing the enemy and survive on the other.


What if you used the cement foundation of the core instead of rock?


If you READ the Basic Physics thread on 9/11 you will find out that the 'central' steel 'structure' for some stories high STOOD TEMPORARILY AFTER the rest of the building had collapsed around it...but quickly itself succumbing to damage/vibrations/oscillations and weight on a NOW obviously weakened 'interconnected' (not 'integral mass' structure/configuration. A 'bottom explosion' of the posited 'energy/power'..would have demolished this part FIRST, not LAST.

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Posted: Jan 16 2006, 09:44 AM


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QUOTE (reasonwhy @ Jan 16 2006, 02:30 AM)
QUOTE (DaBigEd @ Jan 15 2006, 06:09 PM)

And on the topic of where did the extra XXXXXXXXX KWH Come from, I think there is more likely a chance that the two building were hit by meteors than had nukes detonate in them.

Do you agree with the NIST report?

Firstly I am not a structural engineer nor a building specialist, and as such I must trust the judgment of those who are experts in this field.

While I wish to sit on the fence as much as possible here, I will say this:

I choose to believe the best minds the United states have produced in the last 30 years over the ramblings of a bunch of crackpots who have no experience in the field.

That said however, I do think some funky stuff happened that day.

Not that my opinion counts for anything at all but yes i do agree with the NIST Report.
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What if you used the cement foundation of the core instead of rock?


Yes, its pretty much the same, it would work, in the basement of such a building, most of the energy would be reflected up through the building as it has nowhere else to go.


What a load of cr*p guys...

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It also interests me that you skirt so carefully around the question that poke obvious holes in your theory stating that you don't elaborate because the lack of "details are to thwart any would be developer". What a load of horse-***. If you go to and 1st world university library there are ~50 - 60 books on the engineering of nuclear weapons and the design problems associated with them.


Not one of those books has accurate material, as if any government would allow that material in public hands...

You are full of it...or every rogue nation would have nuclear weapons by now...

It also shows that your basic knowledge of physics, is completely useless...

You were mouthing off about fission devices, a pure hydrogen bomb has NOTHING to do with fission, nor is fission required...

Go back and watch some more TV or play with your encyclopedia...

Somehow, you seem to think a gravity collapse can produce 2-4 months of output by a power station...pull your head out man...
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DaBigEd,

Have you ever heard of the principle of cause and effect?

Let me show you something, here are two statements on fusion:

1. It takes millions of degrees kelvin to achieve fusion...
2. Fusion produces millions of degrees kelvin and this can be used to generate power.

hmmmm...the cause and the effect are the same.

Somethings missing...these statements are looking at the process from a single perspective, there is another way to achieve fusion without heat...which is infra-red, by the way...
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Despite all the waffling and distraction from our "guests", the fact remains that to produce particle sizes of 30 micron, it would take the equivilent of 2-4 months worth of of KWH produced by a power station in the time it took the buildings to collapse.

It doesn't really matter how much, or how little, that peak energy still had to be achieved.

The potential energy involved in the collapse of the twin towers, the collision, the burning fuel and all materials, come nowhere near producing that amount of energy.

What about uneven distribution of mass during the collapse?

Well, the "entire" available energy of the collapse is well over 1,000,000 KWH BELOW what it would take to produce 30 micron dust particles. That means at NO point could a 30 micron dust particle be created.

Isolated areas CANNOT exceed the maximum energy of the entire collapse.

A jet full of fuel could not provide 1,000,000 KWH of energy...

We are therefore looking for another major energy source...without question.

That's just the facts, or else you are trying to break the known laws of physics...

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Some may laugh at the thought of the US government or military attacking its own population to support a war.

As you are about to find out, the Pentagon has planned, during the 1960s, to fake an attack and murder its own people to support a war...this time, with Cuba.

Welcome to "Operation Northwoods"...

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Do these "rogue states" and terrorist organizations have the budget and sophistication to produce a devastating electromagnetic attack which could disable the entire United States? Remember that most of us have never ever heard of an EMP attack. When we consider the abundant evidence of complicity in the 9/11 cover-up, could it be that rogue elements within the shadow government are the ones actually planning a sophisticated electromagnetic attack to then blame on others in order to manipulate the public into supporting a war?

There are certainly precedents for this. Consider Operation Northwoods, the Pentagon plan to foment terrorism on US soil in the early 1960s in order to provoke the US public into supporting a war against Cuba. Approved in writing by the Pentagon Joint Chiefs, Operation Northwoods even proposed blowing up a US ship and hijacking planes as a false pretext for war. Details of these highly deceptive plans are reported by ABC, and the declassified Operation Northwoods documents are available for free viewing on the official website of the US National Archives and Records Administration.
http://www.wanttoknow.info/050509electromagneticattack



Before you read the "official" material on "Operation Northwoods" and how the US government planned to murder its own people in a series of terrorist attacks to support a war in Cuba, read the report on it by ABC...


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U.S. Military Wanted to Provoke War With Cuba
Book: U.S. Military Drafted Plans to Terrorize U.S. Cities to Provoke War With Cuba
By David Ruppe
N E W  Y O R K, May 1, 2001 - In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba.

Code named Operation Northwoods, the plans reportedly included the possible assassination of Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and even orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities.

The plans were developed as ways to trick the American public and the international community into supporting a war to oust Cuba's then new leader, communist Fidel Castro.

America's top military brass even contemplated causing U.S. military casualties, writing: "We could blow up a U.S. ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba," and, "casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation."

Details of the plans are described in Body of Secrets (Doubleday), a new book by investigative reporter James Bamford about the history of America's largest spy agency, the National Security Agency. However, the plans were not connected to the agency, he notes.

The plans had the written approval of all of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and were presented to President Kennedy's defense secretary, Robert McNamara, in March 1962. But they apparently were rejected by the civilian leadership and have gone undisclosed for nearly 40 years.

"These were Joint Chiefs of Staff documents. The reason these were held secret for so long is the Joint Chiefs never wanted to give these up because they were so embarrassing," Bamford told ABCNEWS.com.

"The whole point of a democracy is to have leaders responding to the public will, and here this is the complete reverse, the military trying to trick the American people into a war that they want but that nobody else wants."

Gunning for War

The documents show "the Joint Chiefs of Staff drew up and approved plans for what may be the most corrupt plan ever created by the U.S. government," writes Bamford.

The Joint Chiefs even proposed using the potential death of astronaut John Glenn during the first attempt to put an American into orbit as a false pretext for war with Cuba, the documents show.

Should the rocket explode and kill Glenn, they wrote, "the objective is to provide irrevocable proof … that the fault lies with the Communists et all Cuba [sic]."

The plans were motivated by an intense desire among senior military leaders to depose Castro, who seized power in 1959 to become the first communist leader in the Western Hemisphere — only 90 miles from U.S. shores.

The earlier CIA-backed Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba by Cuban exiles had been a disastrous failure, in which the military was not allowed to provide firepower.The military leaders now wanted a shot at it.

"The whole thing was so bizarre," says Bamford, noting public and international support would be needed for an invasion, but apparently neither the American public, nor the Cuban public, wanted to see U.S. troops deployed to drive out Castro.

Reflecting this, the U.S. plan called for establishing prolonged military — not democratic — control over the island nation after the invasion.

"That's what we're supposed to be freeing them from," Bamford says. "The only way we would have succeeded is by doing exactly what the Russians were doing all over the world, by imposing a government by tyranny, basically what we were accusing Castro himself of doing."

'Over the Edge'

The Joint Chiefs at the time were headed by Eisenhower appointee Army Gen. Lyman L. Lemnitzer, who, with the signed plans in hand made a pitch to McNamara on March 13, 1962, recommending Operation Northwoods be run by the military.

Whether the Joint Chiefs' plans were rejected by McNamara in the meeting is not clear. But three days later, President Kennedy told Lemnitzer directly there was virtually no possibility of ever using overt force to take Cuba, Bamford reports. Within months, Lemnitzer would be denied another term as chairman and transferred to another job.

The secret plans came at a time when there was distrust in the military leadership about their civilian leadership, with leaders in the Kennedy administration viewed as too liberal, insufficiently experienced and soft on communism. At the same time, however, there real were concerns in American society about their military overstepping its bounds.

There were reports U.S. military leaders had encouraged their subordinates to vote conservative during the election.

And at least two popular books were published focusing on a right-wing military leadership pushing the limits against government policy of the day. The Senate Foreign Relations Committee published its own report on right-wing extremism in the military, warning a "considerable danger" in the "education and propaganda activities of military personnel" had been uncovered. The committee even called for an examination of any ties between Lemnitzer and right-wing groups. But Congress didn't get wind of Northwoods, says Bamford.

"Although no one in Congress could have known at the time," he writes, "Lemnitzer and the Joint Chiefs had quietly slipped over the edge."

Even after Lemnitzer was gone, he writes, the Joint Chiefs continued to plan "pretext" operations at least through 1963.

One idea was to create a war between Cuba and another Latin American country so that the United States could intervene. Another was to pay someone in the Castro government to attack U.S. forces at the Guantanamo naval base — an act, which Bamford notes, would have amounted to treason. And another was to fly low level U-2 flights over Cuba, with the intention of having one shot down as a pretext for a war.

"There really was a worry at the time about the military going off crazy and they did, but they never succeeded, but it wasn't for lack of trying," he says.

After 40 Years

Ironically, the documents came to light, says Bamford, in part because of the 1992 Oliver Stone film JFK, which examined the possibility of a conspiracy behind the assassination of President Kennedy.

As public interest in the assassination swelled after JFK's release, Congress passed a law designed to increase the public's access to government records related to the assassination.

The author says a friend on the board tipped him off to the documents.

Afraid of a congressional investigation, Lemnitzer had ordered all Joint Chiefs documents related to the Bay of Pigs destroyed, says Bamford. But somehow, these remained.

"The scary thing is none of this stuff comes out until 40 years after," says Bamford.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/print?id=92662



Here is the first document on the Pentagon plan to murder US citizens to support a war in cuba, codenamed "Operation Northwoods" this was discovered after the 1992 film on the assassination of JFK and the surrounding conspiracy...

15 pages of declassified Joint Chiefs of Staff documents on Operation Northwoods as posted on the National Security Archive of George Washington University:

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/northwoods.pdf



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Operations Northwoods Documents On the Website of the US National Archives and Records Administration

According to ABC News and government documents on Operation Northwoods, America’s top military leaders drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in US cities to trick the public into supporting a war against Cuba in the early 1960s. Approved in writing by the Pentagon Joint Chiefs, Operation Northwoods even proposed blowing up a US ship and hijacking planes as a false pretext for war.

A summary of key quotes from the Operation Northwoods documents is given below these instructions. To access the Operation Northwoods documents in the National Archives, first go to the Archival Research Catalog (ARC) on the website of NARA (U.S. National Archives and Records Administration) at:

http://www.archives.gov/research_room/arc/index.html

Click on the “Search” button there. Then, in the top box of the page that appears, type “Northwoods” and click on the “Go” button to the right of the box. You will see the following item:

ARC Identifier: 305036  Digital Copy Available
Title:  Northwoods, U.S. Military Intervention in Cuba, 1962

Click on the “Digital Copy Available” link of this item. You will then see the first six pages of 181 pages available on Operation Northwoods. This link expires after 30 minutes (along with the URLs of individual Operation Northwoods pages), which is why we cannot provide a direct link for you.

For the most pertinent documents regarding Operation Northwoods, find the “Jump to Page” in the upper left part of this webpage. Click on the arrow to the right side of the box and select the number 22. Then click on the “go” button just to the right of the box. The most revealing 15 pages of Operations Northwoods documents begin on page 129 and continue to 143. To view any of these pages, simple click on the “Larger image” link directly beneath the page you would like to view. You will find the most shocking information on pages 138 to 141.

Thanks for caring enough to investigate Operation Northwoods. These documents demonstrate clearly that our military has no moral or ethical difficulty in developing plans which not only sacrifice the lives of innocent American citizens, but clearly trick and manipulate the American people in order to forward the war agenda. For more powerful information on this by a highly decorated American General, see www.WantToKnow.info/warisaracket.

By each of us spreading this information far and wide, we can build a critical mass of people who join in calling for a return to open government and stronger democracy in order that we might build a brighter future together.


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Key quotes from Operation Northwoods documents:

The Operation Northwoods documents were approved in writing by the Joint Chiefs of Staff—the top generals of each branch of the US armed forces—and submitted to the Secretary of Defense McNamara, though never acted upon. The documents only came to light because of a Freedom of Information Act request in the late 1990s. Page numbers are listed to assist in finding the quotes on the original documents. Could similar tactics to those listed below have been used in regards to 9/11?

Page 129 of file  (Memorandum)


13 March 1962

MEMORANDUM FOR THE SECRETARY OF DEFENSE     

Subject:  Justification for US Military Intervention in Cuba

The Joint Chiefs of Staff have considered the attached Memorandum for the Chief of Operations, Cuba Project, which responds to a request of that office for brief but precise description of pretexts which could provide justification for US military intervention in Cuba.

It is assumed that a single agency will be given the primary responsibility for developing military and para-military aspects of the basic plan. It is recommended that this responsibility for both overt and covert military operations be assigned the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

Page 133 of file (page 2 of actual Joint Chiefs report)

The suggested courses of action….are based on the premise that US military intervention will result from a period of heightened US-Cuban tensions which place the United States in the position of suffering justifiable grievances. World opinion, and the United Nations forum should be favorably affected by developing the international image of the Cuban government as rash and irresponsible, and as an alarming and unpredictable threat to the peace of the Western Hemisphere.

Page 136 of file (page 5 of actual Joint Chiefs report)

This plan….should be developed to focus all efforts on a specific ultimate objective which would provide adequate justification for US military intervention. Such a plan would enable a logical build-up of incidents to be combined with other seemingly unrelated events to camouflage the ultimate objective.

Page 138-139 of file (page 7-8 of actual Joint Chiefs report)

A series of well coordinated incidents will be planned to take place in and around Guantanamo to give genuine appearance of being done by hostile Cuban forces.

A. Incidents to establish a credible attack:

  (1)    Start rumors (many). Use clandestine radio
  (2)    Land friendly Cubans in uniform “over-the-fence” to stage attack on base.
  (3)    Capture Cuban (friendly) saboteurs inside the base.
  (4)    Start riots near the base main gate (friendly Cubans).
  (5)    Blow up ammunition inside the base: start fires.
  (6)    Burn aircraft on air base (sabotage).
  (7)    Lob mortar shells from outside of base into base.
  (8)    Capture assault teams approaching from the sea or vicinity of Guantanamo City.
  (9)    Capture militia group which storms base.
(10)    Sabotage ship in harbor; large fires – naphthalene.
(11)    Sink ship near harbor entrance. Conduct funerals for mock-victims.

A “Remember the Maine” incident could be arranged: We could blow up a US ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba. Casualty lists in US newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation.

We could develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington.

Page 140 of file (page 9 of actual Joint Chiefs report)

Use of MIG type aircraft by US pilots could provide additional provocation. Harassment of civil air, attacks on surface shipping and destruction of US military drone aircraft by MIG type planes would be useful as complementary actions. Reasonable copies of the MIG could be produced from US resources in about three months.

Page 141 of file (page 10 of actual Joint Chiefs report)

Hijacking attempts against civil air and surface craft should appear to continue as harassing measures condoned by the government of Cuba.

It is possible to create an incident which will demonstrate convincingly that a Cuban aircraft has attacked and shot down a chartered civil airliner enroute from the United States. The destination would be chosen only to cause the flight plan to cross Cuba. The passengers could be a group of college students off on a holiday.

An aircraft at Eglin AFB would be painted and numbered as an exact duplicate for a civil registered aircraft belonging to a CIA proprietary organization in the Miami area. At the designated time the duplicate would be substituted for the actual civil aircraft and would be loaded with selected passengers, all boarded under carefully prepared aliases. The actual aircraft would be converted to a drone.

The drone aircraft and the actual aircraft will be scheduled to allow a rendezvous south of Florida. From the rendezvous point the passenger-carrying aircraft will descend to minimum altitude and go directly into an auxiliary field at Eglin AFB where arrangements will have been made to evacuate the passengers and return the aircraft to its original status. The drone aircraft meanwhile will continue to fly the filed flight plan. When over Cuba the drone will be transmitting on the international distress frequency a “MAY DAY” message stating he is under attack by Cuban MIG aircraft. The transmission will be interrupted by destruction of the aircraft which will be triggered by radio signal.

Note from WantToKnow.info:

As you explore some of the other strange facts you find on our website, we invite you to remember how the top US military leaders planned to manipulate public opinion to support their objectives in Operation Northwoods. Considering the above, is it beyond comprehension that similar tactics might have been used in relation to the 9/11 attacks to create a pretext for war in Afghanistan and Iraq?
http://www.wanttoknow.info/operationnorthwoods


Here is a list of articles and reports that all point to 9/11 being similar to "Operation Northwoods", in that, certain portions of the US government used the attacks to launch their own secondary operation, that would be confused with the main attacks:

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911 - An Inside Job

Morgan Reynolds, Former Chief Economist under President Bush
June 13, 2005, Washington Times/ UPI
http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20...02755-6408r.htm

A former Bush team member during his first administration is now voicing serious doubts about the collapse of the World Trade Center on 9-11. Former chief economist for the Department of Labor during President George W. Bush's first term Morgan Reynolds comments that the official story about the collapse of the WTC is "bogus" and that it is more likely that a controlled demolition destroyed the Twin Towers and adjacent Building No. 7.

http://www.arcticbeacon.com/articles/artic...18131/27302.htm  - More on Reynolds

"If demolition destroyed three steel skyscrapers at the World Trade Center on 9/11, then the case for an 'inside job' and a government attack on America would be compelling," said Morgan Reynolds, Ph.D, a former member of the Bush team. Reynolds, now a professor emeritus at Texas A&M University, also believes it's "next to impossible" that 19 Arab terrorists alone outfoxed the mighty U.S. military, adding the scientific conclusions about the WTC collapse may hold the key to the entire mysterious plot behind 9/11. Reynolds...claims explosives and structural experts have been intimidated in their analyses of the collapses of 9/11. In a detailed analysis just released supporting the controlled demolition theory, Reynolds presents a compelling case.


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Paul Craig Roberts, Assistant Sect. of Treasury under Pres. Reagan

http://www-hoover.stanford.edu/bios/roberts.html  - Website of Stanford's Hoover Institute describes Roberts

The Honorable Paul Craig Roberts is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution. During 1981–82, he served as assistant secretary of the Treasury for economic policy. He was awarded the Treasury Department's Meritorious Service Award for "his outstanding contributions to the formulation of United States economic policy." A former editor and columnist for the Wall Street Journal and columnist for Business Week...the Forbes Media Guide ranked him as one of its top seven journalists. He has testified before committees of Congress on 30 occasions.


http://www.lasvegastribune.com/20050729/headline3.html  - Las Vegas Tribune's July 29, 2005 article on Roberts

Roberts said he hasn’t changed his political ideology or jumped from the Republican-conservative ship but "just can’t respect a party leadership who doesn’t respect the truth." "I guess the real story about 9/11 is about what the people are actually saying. I’ve gotten hundreds of emails in response to my columns and many of them talk about not getting the truth from the government or the media about what really happened at the World Trade Center. I know many qualified engineers and scientists have said the WTC collapsed from explosives. In fact, if you look at the manner in which it fell, you have to give their conclusions credibility."


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U.S. Senator Mark Dayton
July 31, 2004, The Star-Tribune (Minneapolis - St. Paul)
http://www.startribune.com/stories/1576/4904237.html
http://www.911citizenswatch.org/modules.ph...cle&sid=369

Sen. Mark Dayton, D-Minn., charged...that the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) and the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) have covered up "catastrophic failures" that left the nation vulnerable during the Sept. 11 hijackings. "For almost three years now, NORAD officials and FAA officials have been able to hide their critical failures that left this country defenseless during two of the worst hours in our history," Dayton declared during a Senate Governmental Affairs Committee hearing. Dayton said NORAD officials "lied to the American people, they lied to Congress and they lied to your 9/11 commission to create a false impression of competence, communication and protection of the American people."


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U.S. Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney
July 23, 2005, Atlanta Journal-Constitution (Atlanta's leading newspaper)
http://www.ajc.com/hp/content/auto/epaper/...66d13800b4.html
http://www.WantToKnow.info/050723ajc.mckinney  - Copy on WantToKnow.info if above link fails

Rep. Cynthia McKinney led a Capitol Hill hearing Friday [July 22, 2005] on whether the Bush administration was involved in the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. "What we are doing is asking the unanswered questions of the 9/11 families," McKinney...said during the proceedings. The eight-hour hearing, timed to mark the first anniversary of the release of the Sept. 11 commission's report on the attacks, drew dozens of contrarians and conspiracy theorists who suggest President Bush purposely ignored warnings or may even have had a hand in the attack — claims participants said the commission ignored. "Congresswoman McKinney is viewed as a contrarian," panelist Melvin Goodman, a former CIA official, said. "And I hope someday her views will be considered conventional wisdom."

Note: Though the mainstream press largely failed to report on this important hearing, C-SPAN did air all eight hours of testimony given on August 31st and Sept. 2nd (because of Hurricane Katrina, part two was aired on C-SPAN 2), both at 8 PM.


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Professor David Ray Griffin, Renowned Theologian in LA Times
August 28, 2005, Los Angeles Times
http://www.latimes.com/features/printediti...1,3835884.story 
http://www.WantToKnow.info/050828latimes911conspiracy  - Copy on WantToKnow.info if above link fails

A professor emeritus at the Claremont School of Theology, 66-year-old David Ray Griffin...compiled a summary of material arguing against the accepted story that 19 hijackers sent by Osama bin Laden took the aviation system and the U.S. military by surprise that awful day in his 2004 book "The New Pearl Harbor." He recently followed up with the book "The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions," a critique of the Kean commission document. "For the first year and a half I just accepted the conventional view. When a colleague suggested to me about a year after 9/11 that he was convinced our own government or forces within our own government had arranged it, I didn't accept that. Then several months later another colleague sent me [a link to] a website that had a timeline. Once I started reading that and saw all those stories drawn from mainstream sources that contradicted the official account, I decided I needed to look into it more carefully, and the more I looked, the worse it got. The fact that Building 7 [a 47-story skyscraper in the WTC complex] collapsed when it had not been hit by an airplane, and collapsed in seven or eight seconds, that's a smoking gun. The fact that standard operating procedures were not followed that morning, and we've gotten three different stories now by the U.S. military as to why they did not intercept the planes, that's a smoking gun. There was a Zogby poll in New York. The question asked was, do you believe the government had advance knowledge of the attacks and consciously let them happen? Forty-nine percent in New York City said yes.

Note: On May 7, 2005, Dr. Griffin, who has authored or edited over two dozen scholarly books, was featured on C-SPAN 2 giving an excellent lecture on the 9/11 cover-up at the University of Wisconsin. To view this revealing lecture free online, click here. The prestigious National Press Club also hosted him for an excellent talk on July 22, 2005. To read a transcript of this speech, click here. For more on Dr. Giffin, click here.


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Robert M. Bowman, Head of Advanced Space Programs for DOD

http://www.illinoistimes.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A4282  - Illinois Times on Bowman

In 1977, Dr. Robert M. Bowman, head of advanced space programs for the Department of Defense [DOD], authored a report describing a new missile-defense shield system called the “Star Wars Defense.” Lt. Col. Robert Bowman (Ret.), a combat pilot who flew 101 missions in the Vietnam War...ran for president in 2000.

http://www.rmbowman.com/ssn/Secrecy.htm  - Article on Dr. Bowman's website discussing 9/11

Many people are convinced that George W. Bush knew what was going to happen and purposely allowed it to happen so he and his neo-conservative buddies could have the “new Pearl Harbor” they needed to justify their wars against Afghanistan and Iraq. Others go further. They are absolutely sure Cheney and company actually planned and carried out the attack. What is so disturbing is that their arguments are quite convincing. If an enormous cloud of suspicion is not to be permanently over the head of our government, the Bush Administration must “come clean,” releasing information thus far withheld from the American people. Why did John Ashcroft and top Pentagon officials cancel plans to fly commercial airlines the morning of 9/11? If they knew what was about to happen, why wasn’t it stopped? Who made all the millions of dollars selling short United and American Airlines [stock] just before 9/11? Why weren’t the hijacked airliners intercepted by jet fighters and shot down before they could fly into the WTC and Pentagon? What did the air traffic controllers say, and to whom? Why did the FBI impound the tapes of those conversations? Why has the public never been told what was on them? Why weren’t the congressional investigators told? If it was just a matter of incompetence or somebody not doing their job, why hasn’t anyone been fired or reprimanded?


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Michael Meacher, UK Minister of Environment (1997 - 2003)
September 6, 2003, The Guardian (one of the UK's leading newspapers)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,...1036571,00.html

A blueprint for the creation of a global Pax Americana was drawn up for *** Cheney (now vice-president), Donald Rumsfeld (defence secretary), Paul Wolfowitz (Rumsfeld's deputy), Jeb Bush (George Bush's younger brother) and Lewis Libby (Cheney's chief of staff). The document, entitled Rebuilding America's Defences, was written in September 2000 by the neoconservative think tank, Project for the New American Century (PNAC). The information provided by European intelligence services prior to 9/11 was so extensive that it is no longer possible for either the CIA or FBI to assert a defence of incompetence. Fifteen of the 9/11 hijackers obtained their visas in Saudi Arabia. Michael Springman, the former head of the American visa bureau in Jeddah, has stated that since 1987 the CIA had been illicitly issuing visas to unqualified applicants from the Middle East and bringing them to the US for training in terrorism for the Afghan war in collaboration with Bin Laden (BBC, November 6 2001). It seems this operation continued after the Afghan war for other purposes. It is also reported that five of the hijackers received training at secure US military installations in the 1990s (Newsweek, September 15 2001) The conclusion of all this analysis must surely be that the "global war on terrorism" has the hallmarks of a political myth propagated to pave the way for a wholly different agenda - the US goal of world hegemony, built around securing by force command over the oil supplies required to drive the whole project.


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Catherine Austin Fitts, ***. Sect. of Housing For President Bush

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_Austin_Fitts  - Wikipedia article describing Fitts

Catherine Austin Fitts has been a Wall Street executive, a government official, and President of her own investment bank. She is currently the director of Solari. Fitts served as Managing Director and Member of the Board of Directors of the Wall Street investment bank, Dillon, Read & Co., Inc. and also as Assistant Secretary of Housing/Federal Housing Commissioner at HUD in the first Bush Administration.

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20041101130426916
Article jointly written by Catherine Austin Fitts and Congresswoman McKinney on excellent 9/11 website

From the first, the Bush Administration resisted investigation and disclosure. Families of September 11 victims were forced to lobby the administration and Congress for a full and independent inquiry. They fought for 14 months, blocked every step of the way by the White House. The families demanded a full investigation, posing nearly 400 questions to the Kean Commission. The commissioners said they welcomed these queries. But their final report ignored most of the unanswered questions. Still posted on the website of the September 11 Family Steering Committee, these questions are a stark reminder of the Kean Commission's failures. Until the unanswered questions about 9/11 are laid to rest, by a truly independent investigation that does not declare legitimate avenues of inquiry off-limits, they will continue to haunt our country.


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Respected Leaders and Families 9/11 Truth Statement
October 26, 2004, 911truth.org
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20041026093059633

An alliance of 100 prominent Americans and 40 family members of those killed on 9/11 announced the release of the 911 Truth Statement, a call for immediate inquiry into evidence that suggests high-level government officials may have deliberately allowed the September 11th attacks to occur. The Statement's list of signatories includes notables spanning the political spectrum, from Presidential candidates Ralph Nader, Michael Badnarik, and David Cobb to Catherine Austin Fitts, a member of the first Bush administration, as well as Washington veterans like Pentagon whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg and retired CIA analyst Ray McGovern. Other signers range from peace activists like Code Pink co-founder Jodie Evans and Global Exchange's Kevin Danaher to former US Ambassador and Chief of Mission to Iraq, Edward L. Peck; from environmentalists like Randy Hayes and John Robbins to business leaders such as Paul Hawken and Karl Schwarz, CEO of Patmos Nanotechnologies; from populist journalist Ronnie Dugger to renowned investigative reporter Kelly Patricia O'Meara. The Statement also includes 43 noted authors, including New York Times #1 bestseller John Gray, as well as 18 eminent professors, historians, and theologians. Other notables include five-term Georgia Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney, singers Michelle Shocked and Michael Franti, and actors Ed Asner and Mimi Kennedy.
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As you are about to find out, the Pentagon has planned, during the 1960s, to fake an attack and murder its own people to support a war...this time, with Cuba.


There was NO PLAN to MURDER ANYONE.

But even so, in the height of the cold war, the plan was not approved.

Arthur


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You are a liar...the records are available at the US government's website...

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A summary of key quotes from the Operation Northwoods documents is given below these instructions. To access the Operation Northwoods documents in the National Archives, first go to the Archival Research Catalog (ARC) on the website of NARA (U.S. National Archives and Records Administration) at:

http://www.archives.gov/research_room/arc/index.html

Click on the “Search” button there. Then, in the top box of the page that appears, type “Northwoods” and click on the “Go” button to the right of the box. You will see the following item:

ARC Identifier: 305036  Digital Copy Available
Title:  Northwoods, U.S. Military Intervention in Cuba, 1962

Click on the “Digital Copy Available” link of this item. You will then see the first six pages of 181 pages available on Operation Northwoods. This link expires after 30 minutes (along with the URLs of individual Operation Northwoods pages), which is why we cannot provide a direct link for you.

For the most pertinent documents regarding Operation Northwoods, find the “Jump to Page” in the upper left part of this webpage. Click on the arrow to the right side of the box and select the number 22. Then click on the “go” button just to the right of the box. The most revealing 15 pages of Operations Northwoods documents begin on page 129 and continue to 143. To view any of these pages, simple click on the “Larger image” link directly beneath the page you would like to view. You will find the most shocking information on pages 138 to 141.

Thanks for caring enough to investigate Operation Northwoods.
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SO TELL ME MMC WHAT TERTIARY QUALIFICATIONS IN PHYSICS DO YOU HAVE, THAT MAKE YOU SUCH AN EXPERT IN THE FIELD?????
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DaBigEd,

When I was 20, I was a member of an advisory board along with people such as this:

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Joe Parr, J.D. - CA -  Joe is an electronics  engineer with over 40 years experience,  inventor of the gamma ray transducer, and holds a law degree.  He has wintered in Antarctica twice, once at the South Pole during DF75 and once at Palmer Station during DF78. In October of 1978,  while Joe was at Palmer Station, he discovered the Gamma Ray Transducer.  He has also wintered once at Thule Greenland and has been involved in 8 major projects throughout the world.


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Volodymyr Krasnoholovets, Ph.D. - UKRAINE - Theoretical Physicist (Condensed Matter Physics) and Senior Scientist for over 20 years at the Institute of Physics in Ukraine.  This institute was the premier military research institution of the former Soviet Union and Dr. Krasnoholvets helped develop instrumentation and new research technology.


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Joseph Turbeville - NC - Retired Physicist from the University of South Florida.  He was a Federal Sea Grant recipient,  project Director on an oil spill recovery project, and served with SINTEF at the University of Trondheim in Norway.  His most recent environmental publication was in an IUPAC Journal (on oil spill issues).


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Edward Hyman, Ph.D. - CA - Dr. Hyman is an Optical Physicist and was a research scientist with the TRW Defense and Space Systems Group.  His expertise is in Electromagnetic field theory and has published in Applied Optics, Journal of the American Optical Society.


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Petros Petrosyan - Armenia - Nuclear Engineer


I specialise in mathematical models and communications, only a few weeks ago I was speculating on the non-linear acceleration of climate change and predicting that it could result in the loss of the condition necessary for life, something which one of the world's leading experts confirmed in the press, independently, at the weekend:

Environment in crisis: 'We are past the point of no return'
http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/article338878.ece

I know my stuff...the real question is, who the hell are you?
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You are a liar...the records are available at the US government's website...

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A summary of key quotes from the Operation Northwoods documents is given below these instructions. To access the Operation Northwoods documents in the National Archives, first go to the Archival Research Catalog (ARC) on the website of NARA (U.S. National Archives and Records Administration) at:

http://www.archives.gov/research_room/arc/index.html

Click on the “Search” button there. Then, in the top box of the page that appears, type “Northwoods” and click on the “Go” button to the right of the box. You will see the following item:

ARC Identifier: 305036  Digital Copy Available
Title:  Northwoods, U.S. Military Intervention in Cuba, 1962

Click on the “Digital Copy Available” link of this item. You will then see the first six pages of 181 pages available on Operation Northwoods. This link expires after 30 minutes (along with the URLs of individual Operation Northwoods pages), which is why we cannot provide a direct link for you.

For the most pertinent documents regarding Operation Northwoods, find the “Jump to Page” in the upper left part of this webpage. Click on the arrow to the right side of the box and select the number 22. Then click on the “go” button just to the right of the box. The most revealing 15 pages of Operations Northwoods documents begin on page 129 and continue to 143. To view any of these pages, simple click on the “Larger image” link directly beneath the page you would like to view. You will find the most shocking information on pages 138 to 141.

Thanks for caring enough to investigate Operation Northwoods.

You are wrong MMC, the document talks quite a bit about how they were going to SIMULATE carnage, thus the reference to the MOCK FUNERALS and the rendevouz with the drone, etc. etc.

And like I said, even though this was at the height of the cold war and no one was going to be killed, the plan was rejected.

Arthur



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There is more to it, a large amount of documents were destroyed, discussions with those who had access to the material, confirmed independently, that they related to large scale murder of members of the public and US military.

There is substantial eye-witness accounts...who cares if the civilian government refused?

The fact remains...the military planned this...
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Environment in crisis: 'We are past the point of no return'
http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/article338878.ece

The world has already passed the point of no return for climate change, and civilisation as we know it is now unlikely to survive, according to James Lovelock, the scientist and green guru who conceived the idea of Gaia - the Earth which keeps itself fit for life.

In a profoundly pessimistic new assessment, published in today's Independent, Professor Lovelock suggests that efforts to counter global warming cannot succeed, and that, in effect, it is already too late.


If you really believed this BS, then why would you care about 9/11????

MMC (Michael McCarthy I take it) you are in the SCARE the SHIIT out of people business and are looking to MAKE mountains out of molehills.

Truth isn't something you appear to be interested in.

Arthur


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No, I'm not Michael McCarthy...
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