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jsoellne
Posted: Jan 6 2006, 10:50 PM


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From what I understand space time are only in the universe. SO what is outside the universe and at the point it ends what is the end like. Is it sudden or gradual. And what happens if u somehow make it outside of the universe or space time. I mean theroticaly if u could what woud it be like. Would u just not age or what. Im having trouble grasping the concept of what "nothing" is outside the universe.
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Posted: Jan 6 2006, 10:59 PM


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One theory says that outside of our own universe there are an infinite number of parallel universes-one for every possibility. So, in these parallel universes, every choice you have ever made or decided not to make or never even thought of is played out-a different scenario in each universe. Sounds interesting to me. smile.gif
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Posted: Jan 6 2006, 11:01 PM


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I truely think that the only way to know for sure is to find the end of the universe, and see if you can't penetrate the boundary. But you also have to think, "what if there is no end to the Universe?".


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jsoellne
Posted: Jan 6 2006, 11:08 PM


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To the first post: Even if there are parallel universes, there still should be gaps between them or some empty space somewhere becasue they are constatly growing or shrinking.
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Posted: Jan 6 2006, 11:10 PM


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Or maybe they are simply pushing on each other as they grow, shrinking others? Who knows? I would not have any clue what would be in the empty spaces if there were any. Perhaps anti matter? wink.gif


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Posted: Jan 6 2006, 11:20 PM


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Another interesting thought: Extra dimensions are thought to exist inside of our own universe, "curled up" inside of the ones we are aware of, too small for us to experience. (Not quite sure how that works, but people came up with them to make their equasions work correctly.) What about dimensions in other universes? Are there tons? Less than ours? I'd like to see how a 5-D,1-D,2-D, 1000-D, etc. universe would work.


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Posted: Mar 17 2006, 09:56 PM


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perhaps Vertical Theory can add insight to "what's outside?"

Vertical Theory provides a new model for infinity. At its simplest, Vertical Theory hypothesizes that in a multi-universe model, infinity stretches both up and down vertically from our universe. For this to work, the absolutely smallest indivisible unit or closed particle in the quantum world is a separate finite universe unto itself. There are a googillion of these units (could be some sort of sub-component of strings) and they serve as the first level building blocks for our universe. Next it states that our universe is one of a googillion other building block units for a universe much larger than ours, the next level up universe (not a mega universe because there is always a next level up). And so it goes, our universe a smallest component to a next larger universe, that universe a component to a next larger universe and so on infinitely. Alternately, the same model moves infinitely down to next smaller and next smaller universal building blocks.
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Posted: Mar 18 2006, 08:21 AM


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QUOTE (googillion @ Mar 17 2006, 09:56 PM)
perhaps Vertical Theory can add insight to "what's outside?"

Vertical Theory provides a new model for infinity. At its simplest, Vertical Theory hypothesizes that in a multi-universe model, infinity stretches both up and down vertically from our universe. For this to work, the absolutely smallest indivisible unit or closed particle in the quantum world is a separate finite universe unto itself. There are a googillion of these units (could be some sort of sub-component of strings) and they serve as the first level building blocks for our universe. Next it states that our universe is one of a googillion other building block units for a universe much larger than ours, the next level up universe (not a mega universe because there is always a next level up). And so it goes, our universe a smallest component to a next larger universe, that universe a component to a next larger universe and so on infinitely. Alternately, the same model moves infinitely down to next smaller and next smaller universal building blocks.

G'n,

Not so new, as every child has discussed this very same concept.....What if atoms are like stars and planets in a micro-cosmos....what if our stars and planets are part of a larger scale "sub atomic" assembly etc etc.......yawn dry.gif

I remember this playground stuff....occurring around 40 years ago.
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Posted: Mar 18 2006, 11:11 AM


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[/QUOTE]What if atoms are like stars and planets in a micro-cosmos....what if our stars and planets are part of a larger scale "sub atomic" assembly etc

Relative to something outside the universe that scale could be potentially true.



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Hey kids. Here's what i've gathered...

If you travel far enough you will end up in the same spot, so there's no "getting out" of this universe by finding some imaginary boundary and stepping over it. (But here's the conundrum... it's a little far, and you're going to have to travel faster than light, or something, I think! because this universe is stretching ever bigger, and will continue to do so until it freezes and theres no movement or energy or heat... . . z zZ z)

That is four dimensional space... You know, like in asteroids and star control, where you go far enough in one direction and end up in the same spot. Just in 3 dimensions instead of 2.

So how can this be?

Yes, this space is created in the folds of a bigger space. Hyperspace, a fourth dimension. But it doesn't end there. This fourth dimension is embedded in a fifth, and a sixth... all the way up to 10 it seems!

This is what the latest physics theories - string theory and supergravity theory - combined into M-theory, postulates.

So, technically you can create a wormhole to another dimension, and while you're in this hyperspace, you'll be outside this universe.

But thats not all. Soon we'll be able to create little universes in normal laboratories. How? Just fold space in the fourth dimension. It doesn't even take up any space in our dimension. Cool huh?! So for all you know, you're some mutated frog from andro-anadomeda's science experiment. You, your planet, your solar system, and your universe. I wonder if this frog knows what is going on! No, he just got the science pack for his birthday.

But wait! That's not all!

Here's the coolest part!

The diameter of the ultiverse that our universe ultimately resides in, is less than the diameter of an electron. Yes, that's right! Wrap your mind around that one!!!

Every little dot of existence in this universe, is connected to every other little dot, by a superstring that is shorter than anything any instrument we have ever made, can measure.

Make's you feel kind of ethereal, doesn't it?

Sound like science fiction?

It's not... apparently. Several volumes of equations have been developed, that support all of these theories. Many of our modern-day technological advances, are based on inventions or discoveries, enabled by these theories and equations.

Just a little footnote on God:

Our minds, the operating system of our societies, cultures, everything we know - is so utterly inconstant. You can feel like the same person you were, 10 years ago. But would you truly know? Have you ever kept a diary, and wrote down everything you thought, believed, saw, wanted to see? God is a mental anchor - a constant that, if properly installed in your consciousness, allows you to surpass all your mental inconsistency, and realise, that, you are tiny. Inconstant. Inconsistent. And that knowing gives you humility and grace. Relieves stress. Frees your mind from silly and stupid little games, so that you can do what is truly neccessary. Whatever that may be.
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Posted: Mar 18 2006, 03:12 PM


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Hi!
Get with the new way of thinking. smile.gif
Don't think hyper as bigger but lower, smaller.
Three dimension surrounded by two dimension.
Follow the potential -->trail as it goes to less.
Do a search on circle packing and hypersphere packing smile.gif
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Posted: Mar 18 2006, 06:59 PM


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Start with the laughter, and work backwards...
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I'm not against those who might contemplate the idea of "parallel universes"

BUT, let's not forget the word UNIverse implies ONE, not MANY or any others

Typical Definition: everything that exists anywhere

If we want to start discussing the possibility of the existance of others, we might best start by using a new word, maybe just VERSE.

I could at least deal with a discussion on "parallel verses" unsure.gif
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ashley
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[FONT=Geneva][COLOR=purple]If you could see things in the fourth of fifth dimension, what would you see. we have already seen things in the third so what else is there to look at? if you have the answer e-mail me at ashleysundevil@aol.com or patrice162be@yahoo.com. im curious to here other peoples take on this topic.
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QUOTE (jsoellne @ Jan 6 2006, 10:50 PM)
From what I understand space time are only in the universe. SO what is outside the universe and at the point it ends what is the end like. Is it sudden or gradual. And what happens if u somehow make it outside of the universe or space time. I mean theroticaly if u could what woud it be like. Would u just not age or what. Im having trouble grasping the concept of what "nothing" is outside the universe.


We can't really see the edges of the universe. The universe could extend out infinitely or be growing over time.

One problem is that if there was actually a physical 'edge' somewhere is that we likely wouldn't even recognize it.

Imagine objects moving within a room, if they're able to pass through the wall and 'disappear' from within this 'room universe', then they went somewhere else and the walls don't really mark the boundaries.

Now instead of they bounce off the walls, then an object you see moving in one direction can come back to you later, though possibly transformed in some way. So in that case, unless things were reflected off the wall identically to how they hit it then it may not be easy in determining how large this room actually was because the walls would be like mirrors and appear to extend indefinitely, but you could estimate the actual size by finding how many objects are unique.

But anyway, as far as I know, we aren't seeing any physical edges but some repetitions to the universe might give us clues as to what extent such reflections might be making things appear larger than they are.
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