A-Temporal Gravitation, a-temporal gravitation theory

According to the “A-Temporal Gravitation Theory” gravitation is a-temporal, is carried directly by the a-temporal physical space (3, 4, 5).



Time exists only as an irreversible stream of material changes that run into cosmic space. It is not that change runs in time, change itself is time. Cosmic space itself is a-temporal. Here it is fundamental to understand that clocks are precise instruments with a constant rate of change and run in a-temporal space. With clocks we measure the numerical order and the duration of all changes (6).



In the universe there exist two types of phenomena: temporal phenomena and a-temporal phenomena. “Temporal phenomena” are changes or movements of the material objects or particles in cosmic space, for example the movement of the earth around the sun, or the movement of the light in cosmic space. For “A-temporal phenomena” to happen no movement of particle or material object is needed, which means that for their existence no time is needed. For example, gravitational interaction is carried directly by the density of cosmic space. For gravitational force to be transmitted no travel of particle or wave through the cosmic space is needed.


The instantaneous communication between elementary particles in an EPR experiment is carried directly by the a-temporal cosmic space, no travel of particle or wave is needed. A-temporal cosmic space is a “direct information channel” It transports the information from the particle A to the particle B instantly (5).




Besides, since in Bohm’s theory nonlocal connection between two subatomic particles is tied to the action of the quantum potential, it appears lawful to interpret the quantum potential as the special “state” of a-temporal cosmic space. One can say that, in presence of an atomic or subatomic process (such as the case of an EPR experiment), a-temporal cosmic space assumes the special “state” represented by quantum potential, and this determines an instantaneous communication between the particles in exam (7).



Gravitational force is carried directly by the density of quanta of space (QS) that build up a-temporal cosmic space. Density (D) of QS of a given volume of cosmic space depends on the density of matter in that given volume of cosmic space: D=mG , where D is a density of QS in the centre of the material object, m is the mass of the object and G is the gravitational constant. The gravitational force Fg between two material objects is given by the following relation: (D1 x D2) / (r square x G) , where r is the distance between the centers of the two material objects (4).

Quanta of space which build cosmic space change their electrical charge from positive to negative in a Planck time (5.39 ), vibrate at the “basic frequency” 0.19 , have a “basic energy” given by the relation Eqs = h*0.19 where h is Planck’s constant (6.626069 ), and thus Eqs = 1.26 .

QS of a-temporal cosmic space have a “bipolar nature” (namely they change the electrical charge continuously) and are complete into themselves. Their existence does not depend on other physical entities. They have no radiation, no “dispersion of the energy”: their energy is always the same and precisely the basic energy Eqs = 1.26 . This means that QS that build up ATPS have no entropy.


yours, amrit

References:


3. Sorli A, Sorli I. (2004). A-temporal Gravitation, Electronic Journal of Theoretical Physics, Vol. 1, Num. 2 http://www.ejtp.com/

4 Sorli A., Fiscaletti D. (2005). Active Galactic Nucleus As a Renewing System Of the Universe, Electronic Journal of Theoretical Physics, Vol. 2, Num 6 http://www.ejtp.com/

5. Sorli A., Sorli I. (2005) From Space-time to A-Temporal Physical Space, Frontier Perspectives, Vol 14, Num 1

6. Sorli A., Sorli I. (2004). Mathematical Time And Physical Time In The Theory Of Relativity, Electronic Journal of Theoretical Physics, Vol. 1, Num 4 http://www.ejtp.com/

7. Fiscaletti D. (2005). A-Temporal Physical Space and Quantum Nonlocality, Electronic Journal of Theoretical Physics, Vol. 2, Num. 6 http:/www.ejtp.com/

There's something to be said about people that are always looking for something intangible to explain a physically applicable process. Gravitation only happens on the larger than atomic level, and only at great mass of that 'greater than atomic level'. There's no need to add other dimensions to it, because it only happens on the larger than atomic level, which means that it's not a subatomic process. It's an effect of the mass itself, or something that is being done by the mass as it exists, whether it be warping the inate space-time that is the fabric of the universe, or something else in that scope.

I really hate the whole new age physics scene, and how every person interested in physics is working to explain something using more dimensions than are actually provable. That being stated, and now my rant is over I will continue with this threa on-topic.

You mis-interpeted Bohm's theory if that's what you got from it. Most people do, so don't worry about it. He stated that quantum states shows evidence, and that the "spooky action at a distance" proved that the universe appears to be part of a greater whole, and that all particles within the known universe tend to act interwoven, and as one, but on different levels, and different strands of it. This is where the Implicate Order comes from, and this is also where the basis of the Multi-Verse theory is derived.

Be careful with that, because you are approaching on plagerism. Not from your source either. I see that the source is ripping a bit off as well. I'll have to send them a happy email.

Also, at which distance does this fall off? How did you come around with that, and how can you prove it. Why does there have to be an exotic form of matter/space-time?

Can you tell us how you got that?

Dear Sir

Hi!

Science is beyond emotions, it is a pure research for the adequate picture of the would. Confrontation is the vital force of the science.

By Newton gravitation is immediate, by Einstein travels with the speed of light.
According to my reasoning gravitation that should travel in order to keep together sun and earth can not exist. How can a wave that is on the middle way from the earth and sun keep them together ?
Do you have a good explanation for this enigma of gravitational waves ?
yours, amrit sorli


Enigma of gravitational waves.

Hypothetical gravitational waves should travel between two stellar objects with the speed of light. Between sun and earth the duration of travel should be around eight minutes. The fundamental question here is: how can a single gravitational wave that has left the sun and is in the middle of the way to the earth keep together sun and earth. It would be reasonable to find the answer on this question before to go on with “gravitational waves research” that in thirty years did not give any experimental result.

According to some recent research gravitation is carried by the density of cosmic space itself and is immediate as by Newton. Gravitational waves does not exist.


Sources:

- Sorli A, Sorli I. (2004). A-temporal Gravitation, Electronic Journal of Theoretical Physics, Vol. 1, Num. 2 http://www.ejtp.com/

-Sorli A., Sorli I. (2005). A-Temporal Gravitation And Hypothetical Gravitational waves,
Electronic Journal of Theoretical Physics, Vol 2, Num 5 www.ejtp.com

- Sorli A., Fiscaletti D. (2005). Active Galactic Nucleus As a Renewing System Of the Universe, Electronic Journal of Theoretical Physics, Vol. 2, Num 6 http://www.ejtp.com/



Regading my statement: QS of a-temporal cosmic space have a “bipolar nature” (namely they change the electrical charge continuously) and are complete into themselves. Their existence does not depend on other physical entities. They have no radiation, no “dispersion of the energy”: their energy is always the same and precisely the basic energy Eqs = 1.26 . This means that QS that build up ATPS have no entropy.

According to the first law of thermodynamics energy can not be created and not destroyed. So the “elementary particles of the energy” should have no entropy. My description of QS is just a speculation that makes sense.

I do not know how much corresponds to the real nature of the quanta of space that build up cosmic space. Scientific knowledge is relative, science is continuously developing the new theories that are closer to the real nature of the universe.

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Regarding the quantum non locality please contact the editor of www.ejtp.com
and ask for the address of Fiscaletti that is the author of the article

- Fiscaletti D. (2005). A-Temporal Physical Space and Quantum Nonlocality, Electronic Journal of Theoretical Physics, Vol. 2, Num. 6 http:/www.ejtp.com/

Suppose the model of two boats at the stormy sea. How these ships can be attracted by the waves, which are "on the middle way" from the both the ships?

I do not see much of connection between gravitational waves and stormy sea. There is big gap between speculating about gravitation and boats in the stormy sea.

Old Slovenian proverb says: “Universe is not a melon“. In order to explain gravitation as a basic physical property of cosmic space, we use sometimes examples that are not adequate:
waves of the stone thrown in the lake, stormy sea ......

Scientific understanding and image of cosmic space depends on the geometries we use for its description (Euclid geometry, Riemann geometry). We experience universal space through this models. About the real nature of cosmic space we do not know enough to compare it with the surface of a lake or sea.

Science knows a lot about the matter, but space somehow is still the secret. There is a lot more to be discovered.

yours, amrit

Well, old Slovenian's saying shouldn't serve as the relevant arguments even at this (very liberal) phorum... The Casimir's force mechanism is very general due to its geometric nature - it can be observed in each massive environment filled by the waves of energy - not only at the stormy water surface.

Please, consider my objections herein...

I do not know if the universal space is round and final and I do not think anyone is sure about that. There are no experimental data about the subject.

Let's go back to gravitation. I started that discussion in hope someone will answering two questions regarding existence of hypothetical "Gravitational Waves".

1. how can a wave of particle (graviton) keep together two stellar objects when it is on the middle way between them ?
2. which part of matter (atom) is emitting gravitational waves (or hypothetical "gravitons" and which part of matter (atom) is receiving them.

Some expert might join discussion and give the answers.
According A-Temporal Gravitation gravitational waves does not exist.
Confrontation is the vital force of science.


amrit

(for answering both questions fully our institute will give an award of 250.000 Euro)

Great.. pounds sterling should suffice.

At first, the "gravitational waves" aren't gravitons. The gravitational waves are the result of convolution 6D space, so they have a complex quadruple character. The basic interactions are mediated by so called supergravity waves in 1D. The supergravity is working on the very same principle, but just at 1D. The wave pockets of supergravity are behaving like massive particles (so called gravitons), whereas the rest of wave realizes the repulsive force in dynamic equilibrium by such a way, the role of both mutually changes all the time.

Concerning the first question, you didn't answer my previous question, how two boats can be attracted together by the waves, which are on the middle way between them? It should be pointed out, it's a quite classical problem and I don't require, you have to see some connection with the gravitational waves at all...

Each part. In fact, by the Aether Wave Theory the light is just the one of lot of possible forms of supergravity waves, the weak or strong interactions are all mediated by the supergravity waves too - just at the more convoluted dimensional system, so their range is considerably lower. The gravity force is result of mixture of all kinds of space-time field motion inside of particles. But the lower than 6D levels affects the macroscopic gravity field very little (see the so called Casimir force) - but they're forming the main force, which is keeping the vacuum toggether at low distances like molecules in fluid.



Keep the change, please....

Life And Space

Energy of cosmic space has no entropy.
Matter has entropy.
Living organism is a system that keeps constantly the lower entropy of its geological environment.

One could speculate that living organism is in an active relation with the energy of cosmic space in order to keep lower entropy.

Back in 1987-90 I carried out an experiment that shows “energy fluctuations” between living organism and cosmic space. The density of cosmic space around living organism is bigger than around same dead organism.

see more on “The Additional Mass Of Life”.

- Sorli A (2002). The Additional Mass Of Life, Journal Of Theoretics, Vol 4, Num 2
http://www.journaloftheoretics.com/Articles/4-2/Sorli-final.htm


yours, amrit

You seem to be putting emotional meaning where there is no emotions. A rant is just that. Gravitation is a large scale effect of the smaller scale action that is weak. It's not something that is observant on the smaller scale.

Newton was an arrogant fool, and Einstein ignored a lot of the evidence against GR to solve the problems he created with the first principle. General Relativity is broken, and thusly shouldn't be used as a basis for argument, or further theory.

That would be true, if Gravitational waves were actually known to exist. the jury is still out on that topic. We won't know for another 3 years at least.

I've seen a lot of the stuff on that site, and I don't know where they got their evidence, because most of that is not provable yet.

Explain why the sun and many stars like it have sntropy then.

Well you have that partially correct. The first law is in reference to closed systems though. The Universe is thusly, a closed system, so the energy can travel about, and flow from one mass to another within the scope of the physical laws of that system.

Yes, I know. I do it for a living now.

I can see as a result of my Post I will not find favour.

But from what I have read thus far here in physorg, I don't see the Universe being treated as an absolute closed system where if a change of quantum has to effect another quantum.

I don't think anyone here realizes how extremely important it is if any force is to exude its force with some Authority! a closed system is imperative!
Really it should be obvious if a force is to realize its own force as it does in the real World where all forces are Dependant on opposing forces this has to be taken in to account!

Having stated this... ask your self do you really understand the quantum of forces behind your expressed forces, yeah including those pretty nifty analogical diagrams and all.

I guess what I am getting at is I have the notion that analogies are being used without fully understanding a false construct can be implied with them.

I feel that there are two or more kinds of time and that access to some of these times, is locked by frequency.

Amrit,

A dead organism will lack the "living" electrochemical processes.

Could it be that you've mistaken this additional energy for something less obvious?