After death, mass decreases!

I heard that as soon as man or animal dies, there is sudden decrease in small mass of the body. Is it true, if yes where does it go?

Dear Rabindraadhi

Hi
I carried out that experiment back in 1987. After death the additional density of cosmic space around living organism get disolved back into cosmic space, this causes the loos of mass.

The total energy (E) of a living organism can be described by Einstein formula as: E = (m + dm) cc

where m is mass of dead organism and dm is difference of a mass between living and dead organism, c is a speed of light

see more below

yours, amrit, founder of SpaceLife Institute, Italy
my email is : spacelife@libero.it

ENERGY FLUCTUATIONS BETWEEN SPACE AND LIFE

Today science is still considering life as a phenomena that has developed on the planet earth. This approach has its routs in the "geocentric principle" which sees earth as the centre of the universe.

Earth is a relatively small planet of the solar system and dimensions of the universe are incalculable. All the processes on the planet are a “universal processes”, they run in the universe. The fact that they run on the planet is secondary. This approach can be called “universal principle”.


Seeing the phenomena of life from the point of the “universal principle” opens new perspectives. Life is considered as a phenomena that develops into universal space. One has to take in account that studying life only as a result of “bio-chemical” phenomena in a living organism is insufficient. Life has to be seen as a phenomena developed in the universal space. According to the “universal principle” living organism is an open system that exchanges energy with the universal space.


Existence of some energy fluctuations between universal space and life in a form of bio-photons become has been discovered by several researchers of "International Institute of Biophysics" http://www.lifescientists.de/


According to the experiment with earthworms (Sorli, 1987-90) and rats (Kawada, Inomata, before 1997, exact date not known) at the time of death there is a strong energy fluctuation between living organism and universal space that can be detected as a “weight difference” at the time of death.


Preliminary experiment with growing yeast in a mass close system (Sorli 1987-90) shows that in a growing phase a living organism is taking the energy from the cosmic space and integrating it into organism. The mass of the close system where yeast grow into anaerobic conditions is increasing.


The total energy (E) of a living organism can be described by Einstein formula as: E = (m + dm) cc

where m is mass of dead organism and dm is difference of a mass between living and dead organism

dm is the result of the energy fluctuations between universal space and living organism and is characteristic only for the living organism. After the death of the organism this energy fluctuations are interrupted.


Universal space has no entropy. No one ever prove space has some entropy. There is also no scientific theory that would predict cosmic space has some entropy. The energy that build up cosmic space does not follow the second law the thermodynamics. It follows only the first law. Matter follows the second law. About the subject we have an article accepted for publishing in Frontier Perspectives (Philadelphia, Templeton University) with my research fellow Davide Fiscaletti.


Evolution of life is a negentropy process that develops towards non entropy state of the universal space. All over the universe matter has an intrinsic tendency to develop into life. The speculation that evolution of life is based on some “energy fluctuations” between universal space and matter makes sense.


Here has to be well defined that universal space is a-temporal. Time exists only as a change (movement) of stellar objects and elementary particles into a-temporal cosmic space. We are born, we live and we die in the same identical a-temporal universal space.


Cosmic space is a-temporal, time is a flow of irreversible material change in a-temporal space. Change does not run in time, change itself are time. Clocks run in a-temporal space, with clocks we measure duration of all change. We are born, we live and we die in the same identical a-temporal space. In the universe phenomena can be divided into two basic groups: temporal phenomena and a-temporal phenomena. For temporal phenomena to exist a movement of elementary particles (time) in a-temporal space is needed: for example light is a temporal phenomena, for its existence the movement of photon through the space is needed. Human body including his/her mind are temporal phenomena, the result of the movement of billions of particles that build up human organism. For a-temporal phenomena to exist no movement of particles (time) in a-temporal space is needed. Gravitation is a-temporal carried directly by the density of a-temporal space, consciousness is a-temporal as well. Prof. Penrose considers consciousness as a result of quantum gravity acting on the neurons of the brain. A-temporal cosmic space is a non entropy state of energy, it has no entropy, this means no change and no time.


Recent research on cosmology (Sorli, Fiscaletti 2005) shows that in black holes matter transforms into energy of universal space and that in Active Galactic Nucleus (AGN) energy of universal space transforms back into matter. The speculations about “the beginning” are irrelevant now, universe is a self-renewing system in a permanent dynamic equilibrium, there was no beginning and no end. Evolution of life is a consisten part of the cosmic dynamics. Cosmic space plays an active role into functionig of the living organism and evolution of life as well.


The experiment with earth-worms is essential for this deeper understanding of the universe and life.


About experiment I published in my book (Timelessness) in 1990 and in several articles in scientific journals:

1. Sorli A. (1997). Gravitational Field Associated with Life?

Newsletter of Monterey Institute for Study of Alternative Healing Arts, California, NR. 18-19

2. Sorli A. (2001). Additional Roundness of Space-Time and Unknown Vacuum Energies in Living Organisms, Frontier Perspectives, Vol 10, Num 2

3. Sorli A (2002). The Additional Mass Of Life, Journal Of Theoretics, Vol 4, Num 2 http://www.journaloftheoretics.com/Article...Sorli-final.htm


In this experiment were controlled:

- temperature in control and experimental test tubes

- pressure in the control and experimental test tubes


Temperature and pressure in control and test tube remained unchanged during the entire experiment. Pressure was 1 atm, temperature of both test tubes remain as the air in lab. Eventual change of temperature could change the condensation of the wetness in the air on the test tubes. Eventual change of the pressure could be a cause for the gas to pass the glass and went out.

With controlling temperature and pressure this two possibilities were excluded.


Eventual change in mass could also be caused by the condensation of the wetness of the air on the surface of the test tubes if the test tubes would have different size. As the form and the size of the control and experimental test tubes were the same the change of the wetness on the surface of the control and test tube was the same during entire experiment. So the change of the wetness in the lab was not the cause of the mass difference.


The remaining possibility for this result could be a mistake caused by the "methodology of the measurement". To avoid this factor were measured 5 grams, 30 grams, 50 grams and 70 grams of earthworms.


The other possibility of the result is a “human factor”. For years I was speculating about that possibility.


Dr. Kaoru Kawada from Japan got the same results with the rats. Rats closed in a plastic container loose the mass at the time of death. He works under the guidance of Dr. Shiuji Inomata. Dr. Inomata informs about their experiment the editor of the journal Newsletter of Monterey Institute for Study of Alternative Healing Arts by fax back in 1997. ( I published in this journal an article about the experiment in 1997 )


After being informed about Kawada and Inomata results I was more convinced that there was no “human factor”.


During poisoning of the worms with formaldehyde I have seen “flashes” of light. I could not believe that. But I speculated that at the time of death of living organism emission of the photons must be extremely strong; one can see it with the eyes. Experiments of Prof. Slawinski confirm my intuition.


Prof. Slawinski experiment shows that bio-photon emission at the time of death is increasing for 10-1000 times.

-Slawinski J. (2005). Photon Emission from Perturbed and Dying Organisms: Biomedical Perspectives, Research in Complementary And Classical Natural Medicine, Vol 12. Num 2

http://content.karger.com/ProdukteDB/produ...ename=83971.pdf


In this experiment another unusual effect was observed. Immediately after the poisoning 70 grams of worms the mass is increasing for around 60-80 micrograms; as that the worms try to survive by “absorbing” some more energy of the cosmic space. This was really impressive. Is shows that living organism is in active energy exchange with cosmic space. The mass was bigger for 60-80 grams for around 5 minutes and than was decreasing in 15 minutes below 70 micrograms.


In 1986 I came to the idea to measure the weight at the time of death because my thesis was that life is deeply related to the cosmic space that is a non entropy state of energy. I speculate that maybe gravitational force (that is carried directly by the cosmic space) acts differently on the living organism than on the same dead organism.


When I got results there was no theoretical basis for this results. Today there is a basis: “A-temporal Physical Space” (ATPS). Gravitational force is carried directly by its density. In a living organism there is an additional density of ATPS. This additional density plays an active role into functioning of a living organism and plays also an active role in the evolution of life as well.

- Sorli A., Sorli I. (2004). Mathematical Time And Physical Time In The Theory Of Relativity, Electronic Journal of Theoretical Physics, Vol. 1, Num 4 http://www.ejtp.com/articles/ejtpv1i4p25

- Sorli A., Fiscaletti D. (2005). Active Galactic Nucleus As a Renewing Systems Of the Universe, Electronic Journal of Theoretical Physics, Vol. 2, Num 6 www.ejtp.com

- Sorl A., Sorli I. (2005) From Space-time to A-Temporal Physical Space, Vol 14, Num 1, Frontier Perspectives (Templeton University, Philadelphia)


Dear Rabindraadhi I'm kindly asking you if you have precise balances in your lab and would have interest to repeat this experiment, that for sure will open new perspectives into understanding of the life and universe itself. I could come to visit your lab for a few days and repeat experiment together with your experts.

Hope to here from you soon.

Yours Sincerely, Amrit Sorli

Hey thats brilliant, a technique to tell if something is living and not living. So is a virius living? Some people say no some say yes, but with this 'in built' tool in the universe you can answer that question really quick!

Hi
I think that by virus the dm is smaller or even does not exist. We have to measure that. It was measured by man, worms, rats.
That's already something.

yours, amrit

so when exactly is this 'universal' death then? you claim that the mass changes when something goes from 'living' matter to 'dead' matter, so does this happen when the heart stops? or when rigor mortis sets in? when there's 'irreversible' damage to the brain?

Ha Ha Ha

What a Big B.S

http://scienceweek.com/2005/sw050429-2.htm

NEUROBIOLOGY: ON NEUROTRANSMITTERS

The following points are made by Steven E. Hyman (Current Biology 2005
15:R154):

1) The nervous system processes sensory information and controls behavior by
performing an enormous number of computations. These computations occur both
within cells and between cells, but it is intercellular information
processing, involving complex neural networks, that provides the nervous
system with its remarkable functional capacity. The principal cells involved
in information processing are neurons, of which there are hundreds, if not
thousands of individual cell types based on morphology, location,
connectivity and chemistry [1]. In addition to neurons, the other major kind
of cell in the nervous system is the glia, which play critical support roles,
but which are increasingly seen to function in some aspects of information
processing.

2) To provide some idea of the magnitude of the information processing
capacity of the human brain, its 10^(11) neurons make, on average, about 1000
connections or synapses, at which communication occurs with other neurons.
The range of synapses per cell is very large; the Purkinje cells of the
cerebellum may receive 100,000 contacts from input cells. Overall the human
brain may contain between 10^(14) and 10^(15) synaptic connections.

3) The diverse chemical substances that carry information between neurons are
called "neurotransmitters". Otto Loewi (1873-1961) discovered the first
neurotransmitter in 1926 when he demonstrated that acetylcholine carried a
chemical signal from the vagus nerve to the heart that slowed the cardiac
rhythm. Since that time, more than one hundred substances and a far larger
number of receptors have been implicated in synaptic transmission. Because of
the remarkably diverse effects of neurotransmitter-mediated signaling at the
receptor and post-receptor levels, the number of neurotransmitters, as large
as it is, vastly understates the complexity of signaling in the brain.

4) In the nervous systems of higher animals, only a small fraction of neurons
are directly involved in transducing sensory information or controlling
output cells, such as endocrine, smooth muscle or striated muscle cells. The
vast majority form what Nauta [2] called the great intermediate net, which
underlies the extraordinary computational power of the brain. The complex set
of neuronal networks interposed between input and output neurons form the
basis, inter alia, for learning complex motor sequences, for thought,
emotion, for "top down" behavioral control and, in humans, for such functions
as language, writing poetry and planning wars.

5) In addition to performing present-oriented computations, the nervous
system is plastic; it alters itself (forms memories) as it processes
information, so that it can respond more adaptively in the future. The
subtlety and complexity of the brain's outputs, along with its ability to
change in response to new information, is supported by a rich set of
mechanisms for cell-cell communication involving, at an anatomical level,
intricate but plastic local connections, larger scale neural circuits, and
overlying global regulatory systems; and at the chemical level, a large
number of neurotransmitters with highly diverse mechanisms for decoding their
informational content.[3-5]

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when a man or animal dies thats it

no god or EEG in said body what is left is sh?? and only sh?? of said past body.



neurohacker

Mass decreases all the time in living things. It takes energy to keep things living, unless you're constantly taking in energy, your mass will decrease. A small sudden decrease in mass is nothing mysterious in a dead person or any other person. It happens. The end.

(PS- How is this news?)

Hi All,

I do not think that you can weigh a soul... sounds dumb to me. the loss of some mass is not a convincing evidence of life after death.

Consider this alternate proposition. That the information never dies?? Stephen Hawking recently proposed that when something is dumped into a Black Hole even though the object is destroyed the "information" is preserved on the surface of a Black Hole in the form of the excitations of a "super-string". The theory is quite interesting and the surface area of the black hole seems to contain an awful lot of "data". This can "leak" out of a black hole over time.

It seems to me though I do not believe in a "personal" God... there may be mechanisms that preserve information in our Universe and this could be thought of as a sort of "computer simulation" of what happened inside the Universe over the life of the Universe. Every point and object in space "touches" the hypersurface of our "stringy" Universe and we are "embedded" in it. Our life and all our activities may be contributing to the modes of vibration on the surface of our Universe and encoded "temporally" there as a template of our lives. In life a small amount of our energy may be being used to "excite" the hypersurface into sympathetic oscillation. When everything else has "faded away" that "imprint" may still remain suspended in higher dimensions like a holographic soliton on the surface of the Universe till the end of time itself.

This "information" may be thought of as "intelligence" since in organization it mimics every atom and every nuance of our behavior through life. Perhaps even down to the very DNA strands in our being. At that level of the Universe we may have a "perfect" analog of "essence". Many years ago I saw a program on TV where a single spot of food dye was place in a large transparent cylinder of glycerin. The core was a solid perspex cylinder to which was attached a winding handle. After the introduction of the dye the winding handle was rotated dozens of times... the dye was drawn into uneven and wavy streaks and got fainter and fainter as the winding was increased... until the color of the dye was completely lost in the large volume of glycerin. Then the announcer wound the handle in the opposite direction and as if magically the spot of dye eventually came completely back together again indicating that you can indeed "unscramble eggs". Obviously you need the right system for this to happen... but who knows? Maybe this is the "right system".

Cheers

I have to agree with good elf, souls cannot be weighted. But everything else he said is either a horrible mistake or a big fat lie.

When you die your soul leaves your body and takes enough mass with it in order to form your 'new' body. We all reincarnate right after death(we usually come back as insects or small invertebrate animals), thus the loss of mass is small. I dont know about all that string mumbo-jumbo but its surely fake. Our souls have existed since the beggining and will exist till the end of time, WE are the makers and holders of universal history.

^ so what happens to the animals who are 'reborn' as humans? I somehow can't see the mass of an entire human body being obtained from a tiny bumblebee. Also, what about humans who are 'reborn' as larger animals? Wouldn't people notice if someone who just died lost about 80 pounds between death and burial?

How?

Why?

Can you give scientific proof of this?

Hi "He Who Knows", *vanadesse and Insyght,

In the "real" world things often are not as simple as you portray. Not so much a mistake or lie but extrapolating the "truth"...
Hawking cracks Black Hole Paradox
Information Paradox Solved? If So, Black Holes Are 'Fuzzballs'

Perhaps I should "qualify" that statement of mine. It is not "truth" or "something to believe in" it is "Scientific Speculation" (Science Fiction or "Friction" in this case). This site is Physics and it is OK to speculate. I take all your statements as speculation as well. The moment we get some real evidence I am willing to revise all statements. You never really find anything unless you actually look for it.

For instance... the first talking bumblebee will clinch it for me.

A little more light reading (the former position)....

Ed Witten's Homepage
Nothing is "forever" in theory but it is possible that something actually is... we humans must live with paradox and learn to like it.

Cheers

Good Elf,

Interesting stuff about the black holes. I'm not sure I see the relationship with the conciousness though.

I assume you are basing your theory on superstring? I don't know much about them - only a mere concept, but from what I gather - you take a atom and look smaller and smaller and smaller and at the bottom of the scale you have strings which move in multiple dimensions 10?

Therefore, the strings them selves would define what the matter looks like.

Death would result in changes in the strings them selfs - not the actual atoms right?
Interaction between the strings would change the form of the matter. I would not make sense for it to happen the other way round.

My problem with the theory is that when your body is gone (lets say burned up)... the body that is left, is still represented by strings at the lowest level right?

If a few atoms here and there are consumed by a plant, then the strings are now part of the plant. That does infer a transfer of soul to the plant surely?

When a new life if conceived, the first cell is created and starts to divide, arn't these cells them selves, just a patern of strings anyways - dontated from the parents?

I don't see nothing to do with some previous life, or the residual strings information from some previous life form.

If I have totally missed the concept, please correct.

Regards.

Hi Insyght,

"I beg your pardon, I never promised you a Rose Garden..." he he he! (... as the song goes anyway).

Strings I am speaking about are not something you buy in a department store hardware section or something "donated" on some hot and sweaty "interlude" with your girlfriend. What I am saying is this... everything you have done ... everything you will do... could be encoded temporally (in time) as a series of "wave functions". These entities are "hanging about forever". The strings are more like waves (it is a paradigm) which encode, as by a template, from the "material" we are composed of. Now I know we are ultimately not composed of material anyway, all the more reason to understand this as a "coherent" phenomena that is not dissipated with time simply "enfolded" in time like that glycerin and dye thingy I was speaking about above. The argument about Stephen Hawking and Black Holes is really an acknowledgment that "he" at least needs this concept to enable a consistent view of our Universe to be formulated. The "vibrations" impressed on everything could be on the hyper-surface of a Black Hole but you are even more likely to find them in your bathroom or in your car on the way to the office... but just moved "dimensionally" a very tiny distance in space from where you think your bathroom or car really is into higher dimensions.

This is a quantum realm that can contain "quanta" such as photons and other temporary phenomena in the six deflated dimensions that reside there (according to string theory... my interpretation of it... long story). Now unless they are "inflated by spin energy"... they will not have those quantum particles in it. Still... those dimensions "exist in potential" and that means they are made of "something"... a potential thing that allows that "inflation". This is the higher "six dimensional surface" of our Universe which is touching everywhere in time and space like a tight fitting glove around our three "normal" dimensions of space (but still incorporating the same dimension of time). The full description of our Universe will also include a description of those "flat-spaces" as well, they are not "nothing". Maybe this is a "rubber glove" that you can "inflate" at every point in the universe with energy and thus make a dimensional cavity connected to our "flat-space" through a "twistor" or something. That interaction and "inflation" may go away "in time" through "deflation" but as a wave function it could be still run backwards in time to the point where that "bubble" would reform the original cavity with all the details that was originally there. Maybe this is something like a "movie" or maybe it is more like having the real thing there once again. What this means is that it is a way to time travel as well if you have access to more of time than exists in three dimensions... the full description of time involves the past and those "evanescent" waves that we think are gone forever but in actual fact they are still "out there" as a string vibration mode. Check out the work done by Pendry on negative refractive index materials and the way they can recover the evanescent wave once thought irretrievably lost. There are practical experiments that can be done to show a single particle can also travel in time... why not an "ensemble"? (off topic here)

It is thought that our entire Universe is also a "flat-space" and these "vestigial dimensions" are also flat-spaces depopulated of most particles and latent energy. But these apparently different surfaces react to each other as the wind on a pond rustles the quiet mirror reflection of our world so too do higher dimensions react to the lower dimensions (or visa versa)... not directly but through "shadows" or projections into those higher dimensional surfaces because they "touch" each other along Riemann Surfaces. Perhaps through the second derivative relative to time (acceleration) and thus the waves "ripple". These are the strings... if you could think of it as a sum of an ever increasing Fourier patterns adding to what was there and never dissipating really.

Anyway it is all a speculative theory and it cannot be proven. Still... speculation along current lines of research. Would early 19th Century man have understood the full breath and meaning of present Quantum Theory... I don't think so... mankind (if he is smart) has a while to go yet before he can claim to "know it all". Come back to me in a thousand years and say if I was right, wrong or "neither". My guess is it will always be "neither". We will not know "less" we always know "more" and it is in this vast chasm of increasing understanding you may find a few surprises. It is better than betting on finding "God" or "souls" in the remaining "gaps". Something so big cannot hide his "personality" for so long. We elves do not have "souls" . In the end we may all come to understand that we do not define "what is" we simply discover it (bit of elven "wisdom" there! ).

Cheers