What Is The Source Of Morality?, Naturalism? Divinity? Culture?

Where does morality come from? Does our duty to support the continuance of the human race dictate our morality? Is there some universal moral code? Is it simply a product of culture? Discuss.

O.K. you have little snips at the end of the d.n.a. chain like a punch card . When they are all punched out you stop reproduction of your self . The best way to prolong the inevitable using up of these punch cards is by living in more relaxed states of being like you get from mediation. You slow the rate of the punching of the cards

That was a simplistic view .
When you reach a certain age your body slows down its replication abilities . Now there is a compound that will excite the cells into reproducing like a young person but it has not been figured out how to incorporate into the human body yet or we would have vastly extended lives by this compound . It mimics the bodies natural ability to send the signal to reproduce cells . It is to toxic and would eat the lining out of you stomach if ingested so you can see the problem that has to be over come still .

That information was from a medical journal in a doctors office in the early eighties . I read medical journals too you know . When I got time on my hands that is

Has this user said anything that is not insane?

Morality?

I view the aforementioned as merely a subjective mindframe. At it's core, is survival .... anything which generally enhances human survival we label good, anything opposed, evil.

Yup, that simple.

I did not make that up . Go talk to the 12ers . It was on a documentary on the discovery channel .
I may have polluted it a little by my own twist but the information is still in tact . Except it should say meditation instead of mediation . Although it might take some mediation to get the job done

Im not insane ! quit saying that . Your insane . How do you like it . Being insane that is

I can see you have not discovered the hidden language predicated by circles of influence yet . That probably sounds insane to you too . You know the Memetic Genius Brodie who helped make Micro Soft Great is my dog . Yeah ! or I should say rather that my dogs name was Brodie . 2 Brandings in one post . I am on a roll today

But you probably have no clue what I am talking about when I say Branding either . Your education has to be at a certain level to understand that . Course you probably know nothing about marketing and triggers that torment consumers either . I imagine you are one of the tormented consumers

This post has been edited by Mekigal on May 31 2012, 06:27 PM

How does philanthropy fit into that? What about moral prohibitions against sexuality? I don't think it's as clear as plain survival. What about group survival at the expense of other groups?

What about eugenics?

This post has been edited by flyingbuttressman on May 31 2012, 06:22 PM

You are going to be so surprised to find out there really is an underground culture that exists in plain sight . An alternate existence that will blow your mind and they crowned Me king of that Culture. We live among you every where . Watch out one of us might jump out in front of you and say boo . Don't run us over with your car please

What do you mean by "moral prohibition of sexuality" ?
Do you mean to say sexuality is not moral ?
Sexual prohibition is over . If you don't think so try googling " Sex Pron Hub and go watch a bunch of black men pull a train on a pregnant white girl . Then tell Me there is still moral prohibition . Na I say , or join the Granni wants it site and talk to a few Grannies that need some loving.

Your insane . Not Me . I didn't invent that stuff and I certainly don't believe in prohibition of any thing except maybe stealing and murder with out just cause. Certainly not Sexual Prohibition .

Are you one of those Homo Haters or something ?
Strike King and put in Queen .

I give in women . Except I only like to have sex full blown penetration with girls , not Men . The whole going to California to look for a girl with flowers in her hair is a miss interpretation of Gal . Like Frag did @ Sciforum when he first encountered Me .

He thought I was a woman because of my name . He hit on me . To funny . You should not have let them ban Me frag . Your never going to live that down now . I had pretty much let that go until now . Never now

This post has been edited by Mekigal on May 31 2012, 06:55 PM

To give an example, consider the moral makeup of the United States. There are at least two moral frameworks competing with each other. You have the American sense of personal liberty, which states that people can do whatever they want, as long as it doesn't adversely affect others. You also have the Christian moral framework, which emphasizes charity, piety and a distaste for sexuality that is not solely the purpose of procreation.

Can anyone think of other notable moral frameworks?

Not exactly, on the procreation thing, unless you're talking about the catholic church or some weird fringe elements.

Even the Bible most certainly does NOT go that far at all.

1 Corinthians 7;3 Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband.

4The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife.


Look at that, Paul was the first male FEMINIST. Seriously. *Gasp* the original church teaching was equality in marriage. The existing paradigm for about the past 1800 years SINCE THEN has been a heresy...



5Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency.

In fact, that pretty well says the opposite. Defraud not except by consent for fasting and prayer....Wow.

Nowhere in here is anyone required to have as many offspring as possible, or forbid measures to lower the rate of offspring for reasonable sized families. That is a heretical teaching of the Roman Catholic Church.

"Wisdom is the principle thing, therefore get wisdom and with all your getting, get understanding."

If that's the case, it is not wise to have more children than you can reasonably afford to raise, whether that is zero, one, or 5 or more, it depends on the couple.

I believe it is possible to eventually show that "natural morality" and "spiritual morality" are one and the same, or perhaps aspects of the same, even if you cannot see so on the surface.


Love? or more generally Altruism in macroscopic life?

"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."


"Greater love hath no man than this, that he lay down his life for his friends".


these are actually very much the same concepts, both in terms of organisms within the same species, as well as individual cells within the same organism. They work together, they do "good" to one another to benefit the collective, in some cases individual cells or individual organisms give up their life for the collective...

Immune cells die fighting bacteria.
Heros die saving the families from a burning building.
Soldiers die fighting an invading army.
A man might die to save his wife from a rapist, or his children from some assailant.


And so the "Golden Rule" applies for all life, or very nearly all life, within the same species.


anyway, conceptually in nature, a LOT of things within the same species do in fact fall under those definitions or aspects of love, even in a purely natural context.


Although I also admit some things are not so easily fit into that category of love or morality.


Moreover, since everyone agrees that there actually are such things as "good" and "evil" then we know that not everything that happens in nature is "good" and therefore judging what good and evil is in a purely naturalistic manner is more complicated than over-simplifications, and YET it is more pure than necessarily always resorting to reading a man-made law or holy book.

The problem with all holy books are many;

1) You have to believe the author actually existed and the book is not a fraud.

2) You have to believe the real God spoke to the author.

3) You have to believe the author heard properly.

4) You have to believe the author wrote what he heard.

5) You have to believe the scribes and historians preserved the texts accurately and precisely through re-writes and translations over thousands of years.

6) You have to believe your translation is one of those accurate ones and not one of the mistakes.

7) You have to believe your interpretation of the translation is the right one, as opposed to other people's interpretations. The constitution works the same way, as people argue over the INTENT of the laws in the constitution...and everyone has their own opinion, and nobody really knows what to believe most of the time.


8) you have to believe the real God does not fundamentally contradict himself (changing his mind or giving someone a second chance is not a fundamental contradiction unless it otherwise requires such a contradiction *ahem* hard to explain).

Under "do unto others as you would have them do unto you"...


That could actually justify quite a few things which were literally "banned" under the other parts of the Bible, for example.

Note that I didn't say Biblical morality, just Christian morality. In the USA, Christian morality is heavily influenced by the country's Puritan heritage, to the point where parents refuse to educate their children about sex. Sure, it varies church-by-church, but the Christian zeitgeist holds that depictions of and discussions about sex are practically taboo.

Paul's writings have been used to justify misogyny for as long as the Church has existed. Even if that's not what Paul truly felt, he certainly wasn't very careful with his wording.

Trying to insist that they are one and the same is going to get you in trouble. What happens when someone tries to take the "naturally moral" survival of the fittest and try to argue that it's spiritual as well?

I think it's important to pick these things apart, instead of trying to wrap them all in some kind of divine wrapper. Different people have different moral codes, and it helps to know why.

Like homosexuality?