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Posted: Dec 10 2005, 03:04 AM


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Hi all,

The introduction below explains the rest of the article, and I have made some comments at the end of the post. Apologies, I know I mentioned this a few weeks ago and some people had expressed interest in reading it. The author's introduction and postscript are done in italics to differentiate from the manuscript. So here you are, without further ado:



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Introduction
This manuscript has been loaned to me by my acquaintance. During his stay in the USA he bought an old fire-helmet, which was on sale in the streets of New York. There was an old writing book inside this helmet, apparently used as a lining. The writing book had thin and partially burned covers producing the smell of mould. All its yellowing sheets were full of notes written in ink faded under the influence of time. In parts the ink has lost its color to such a degree that some of the letters can only be guessed at on the yellowed paper. In other places, large parts of the text have been completely spoiled by water, having been transformed into white ink stains. In addition, all the sheets have been burned on the edges and as a result some words are irretrievably lost.

I own a computer and therefore it was not difficult to translate this manuscript. Right after it was translated I understood that it belonged to famous inventor, Nikola Tesla, who lived and worked in the USA. There has been a lot of work done to put the translated text into final form. Those who have dealt with computer translation software will understand me entirely. I had many problems arising from the lost words and sentences. I could never understand many minor but probably very important details of the manuscript. I hope, however, this manuscript will open some mysteries of history and the universe.....



Part 1. You are wrong, Mr. Einstein – ether does exist!

They say much about the Einstein’s theory now. According to Einstein the ether does not exist and many people agree with him. But it is a mistake in my opinion. Ether’s opponents refer to the experiments of Maykelson – Morli who made attempts to detect the Earth’s movement relative to the fixed-bed ether. These experiments failed, however it didn’t mean the ether’s non-existence. I always based as fact the existence of mechanical ether in my works and therefore I could achieve positive success.

What is the ether and why is it so difficult to detect it? I reflected on this matter for a seriously long time and here are the outcomes I have been led to: I think that all the contradictions about whether the ether exists or not are the result of wrong interpretation of ether’s properties. The ether has always been presented as an aeroform environment. That was the essential mistake. The ether has a very strong density. It is known that of more dense a substance, the higher is the speed of wave propagation within it. When comparing acoustic speed in the air and the light speed I have drawn a conclusion that ether density is several thousand times higher than air density. It is not the ether that is aeroform but the material world is an aeroform to the ether! But as the ether is electrically neutral it very poorly interacts with the material world. Notwithstanding that poor interaction we still can feel the ether’s existence.

A good example for such an interaction becomes apparent in gravitation, which should rather be named universal compression. I think the material bodies do not gravitate between each other but it is the ether that makes one material body to press to another. We wrongly call this phenomena gravitation. We can also feel ether’s reaction when sudden acceleration or braking. The stars, planets and all the universe appeared from the ether when some part of it, due to certain reasons, became less dense. It can be compared with formation of blebs in boiling water although such a comparison is only rough. The ether tries to return itself to its initial state by compressing our world, but intrinsic electric charge within material the world substance obstructs this. It is similar to that when the water compresses blebs filled with hot water steam. Until the steam does get cold the water is unable to compress the bleb. With time, having lost the intrinsic electric charge, our world will be compressed with the ether and is going to turn into ether. Having come out of the ether once - so it will go back into the ether.

Density of substance of material world strongly differs from the density and physical properties of the ether. Therefore, the ether cannot remain in a fixed-bed state around material bodies and under certain circumstances there will be an ether whirlwind appearing around material bodies. Hence, we can explain the reason for failure of the Maykelson – Morli experiment.

In order to understand it let’s carry the experiment over to a water environment. Try to imagine that our boat is twirled within a huge whirlpool. We will try to detect water motion relatively to the boat. We will not find any movement as the speed of the boat will be equal to the rate of water movement. In our imagination let’s replace the boat with the Earth, and the whirlpool – by ether whirlwind, which revolves around the Sun. The example shows clearly that when on the Earth one can not detect the Earth’s movement relatively to the ether as the rate of Earth’s movement will be equal to the rate of ether movement. In my researches I always adhere the principle that all nature's phenomena show themselves equally whichever physical environment they would happen in. The waves exist in the water, air, ... and radio–waves and the light is the waves in the ether.

Einstein’s assertion of non-existence of the ether is erroneous. It is difficult to imagine radio-wave and light transmission without ether. Einstein says that there is no ether and at the same time, practically he proves its existence. For example, let’s consider the speed of the passage of light. Einstein states that the velocity of light does not depend on the rate of movement of the light source. It’s correct. But this principle can exist only when the light source is in a certain physical environment (ether), which cuts down velocity of light due to its properties. Ether’s substance cuts down the velocity of light in the same way as air substance cuts down the acoustic speed. If the ether did not exist then velocity of light would strongly depend on the rate of movement of the light source.

Having clarified what is the ether is I began to compare phenomena occurring in the water, air and ether. And here an opportunity occurred to help me in my researches. Once I saw to a sailor who was smoking a pipe. He was exhaling smoke in the form of little rings. Smoke rings flew pretty far away before they got broken. Then I investigated this phenomena in the water. I took a metal jar and carved out a small vent on one side and pulled on thin leather on another side. I poured some ink into the jar and lowered it onto a pool. When harshly hit the leather ink-rings flew out of the jar crossing over the pool and got broken having bumped into its wall, producing substantial motions of water at the pool’s wall. At the same time, the water in the pool kept being quiet. - “This method can be used to transfer energy”, …-
I understand what is ball lightning and how to transfer energy long range without using wires. Einstein tries to explain light movement when no ether environment by Plank quantum hypothesis. Will Einstein be able to explain ball lightning phenomena when without the existence of ether? There is no possibility of explaining ball lightning phenomena without ether!

Based on these investigations I have constructed a generator, which could generate ether vortical [vortice? G-fs] rings, which I called ether vortical objects. It was my achievement. I was in euphoria. It seemed to me like I could do everything. I promised the world not having completely studied this phenomena and took severe punishment for that. I was not financed any more but what the most unpleasant thing was that I was not trusted anymore. TheeEuphoria has changed to deep depression. And I dared to start my crazy experiment then.

Part 2. I will keep the secret of my invention until I die

After my failures I became more self-restrained in making promises… During my work with ether vortical objects I understood that they behave not in the manner I thought before. It turned out that when vortical objects passed near metal objects they lost their energy and collapsed, sometimes exploding. Deep Earth layers have absorbed their energy as strongly as the metal did. So, I could transmit energy only within small distances. I paid attention to the Moon then. If ether vortical objects are sent to the Moon, they will return back to the Earth very far from the transmitter, having been reflected from electrostatic field. As the hade[?] is equal to the angle of reflection, then energy could be transmitted over very long distances, even to other parts of the Earth.

I carried out several experiments transmitting energy towards the Moon. Through these experiments I discovered that the Earth is surrounded by an electric field. This field kept destroying faint ether vortical objects. Ether vortical objects possessing big energy, burst through electric field of the Earth and extended into interplanetary space. And right here, the idea came to my mind that if I can create a resonance system between the Earth and the Moon, then power of the transmitter may be very small while the energy derived out of this system could be considerable. Having made the calculations on how much energy can be derived I was surprised at it. The calculations showed that the energy derived from this system is enough to fully destroy a big city. For the first time at that moment I realized that my system could represent a danger for the mankind. However, I still greatly wanted to carry out my experiment.

Secretly, from everyone, I began to thoroughly prepare my crazy experiment. First of all, I needed to select the place for my experiment. The Arctic Zone did the best location for it. There were no people there and I would injure no-one. But the calculation showed that with the Moon being at its present position, the ether vortical object could strike Siberia, but people live there. I went to the library and began to study the information concerning Siberia. The information was very small but, however, I saw that there are almost no people in Siberia. I should keep my experiment a deep secret, otherwise the consequences could prove to be very unpleasant for me and for all mankind. I always worry about one question: 'Will my discoveries be for the good of the people?' Because it had been known for a long time that the people used all inventions to extirpate the similar ones. The fact that much of my equipment in my laboratory has been dismantled to that moment considerably contributed to keeping my secret. However, I could save the equipment I required for my experiment.

I alone assembled a new transmitter out of this equipment and connected it up to the emitter. The experiment with such a big quantity of energy could be very dangerous. If I made a mistake in my calculations the energy of ether vortical object would strike astern. That’s why I was not in the laboratory but two miles outside it. The work of my installation had been operating by clockwork. The principle of the experiment was rather simple. In order to better understand its principle it is necessary to grasp first what are the ether vortical object and ball lightning. Basically, they are the same. The only difference is that the ball lightning is a visible ether object. Visibility of ball lightning is provided by fluorescence of charged air particles. It could be compared with ink coloring of water vortical particles in my experiment in the pool.

In order to create a resonant Earth – Moon system it was necessary to create a concentration of charged particles between the Earth and the Moon. For that, I used a property of ether vortical objects to capture and transfer charged particles. The generator has emanated the ether vortical objects towards the Moon. When passing through the electric field of the Earth, ether vortical objects have captured charged particles within it. As an electrostatic field of the Moon has the same polarity as an electric field of the Earth, the ether vortical objects have been reflected from it and this time, again returned to the Earth at another angle. After returning to the Earth the ether vortical objects have been reflected again by electric field of the Earth back to the Moon… That was the way, by which the Earth – Moon resonant system has been occupied by charged particles. When the required concentration of charge particles in resonant Earth – Moon system was achieved it has been energized itself at its own resonant frequency. The energy million times assisted by resonance properties of the system was being changed into ether vortical object of a huge power within the electric field of the Earth. However, it was only my guesswork, and I didn’t know how it would be in reality.

I remember very well the day of experiment. The estimated time came near. Minutes dragged on so slowly and seemed as if they were years. I thought I would go crazy of this waiting. At last, the estimated time came and … nothing happened! Another five minutes passed but nothing unusual took place. Various theories came into my head: maybe the clockwork hasn’t worked, or the system hasn’t snapped into action, and maybe nothing must happen at all. I was on the verge of insanity. And suddenly … It seemed to me that the light has grown dark for a moment and a strange feeling was being sensed throughout all my body - as if thousands of needles were piercing my body. Soon everything was over but there was an unpleasant metallic after-taste left in my mouth. All my muscles had become relaxed and there was a buzzing in my head. I felt totally worn out.

When I returned to my laboratory I found that it was practically intact, just there was a strong smell of burning in the air... And again, agonizing suspense had seized me, as I didn't know the results of my experiment. And only later on, having read about unusual phenomena in the newspapers, did I realize what a dreadful arm I have created. Of course, I expected that it would be a very heavy explosion. But, it has not been even an explosion - it has been a catastrophe!

After that experiment I determined that I would keep the secret of my invention until I die. Of course, I knew that someone else could easily repeat this crazy experiment. But this would require the acknowledgement that the ether exists but our scientific world moves further and further away from the truth. I am even grateful to Einstein and others because through their erroneous theories they lead mankind away from that dangerous path I followed. And, probably, this is their only merit. Perhaps, in about one hundred years, when reason prevails over the brute, my invention will serve for welfare of people.

Part 3. Flying machine

My hypothesis that gravitation is a compression of material bodies by ether has recently been confirmed experimentally. When working with the generator of ether vortical objects I observed one very odd phenomena. When it's turned on I could feel a wind blowing towards the generator. I decided to investigate this phenomena. I rolled up several newspapers before igniting and immediately extinguishing them. There was a thick smoke coming from newspapers. With these reeky newspapers I went around the generator. The smoke came to the generator from any spot of the laboratory. And the smoke disappeared near to the generator. At first, I thought the reason relates to electrostatics. But having considered this phenomena I concluded: electrostatics could not be able to cause these phenomena at such a long distance from the generator. Then I supposed: - the Generator lessens the compression of ether through impact to the ether (gravity) !

I constructed big scales to make sure of it. One side of the scales was positioned over the generator. In order to exclude any electromagnetic influence of the generator the scales were made out of highly dried wood. In order to protect against electrostatic field of the generator the scales were worked up by graphite powder. After I accurately balanced the scales I turned on the generator. The side of scales that was over the generator began rapidly to go up. I turned on the generator. The scales went down. I turned off the generator. The scales went down and began to swing until it was fully balanced out. I loaded the scales with the ballast and changed its capacity and operating mode striving for its balance. After these experiments I planned to build a flying machine, which could fly not only in the air but within interplanetary space.

The principle of operation of the flying machine is as follows: towards the flight direction, compression of the ether is to become weaker by the generator installed in the flying machine. As the ether keeps pressing with prior intensity from all other sides, then the flying machine began moving. Being within this flying machine you will not feel its speeding-up as the ether is not to hamper your movement. I had to abandon my plans to create the flying machine. There were two reasons for it: first, I have no money to work in secret. But the main reason is that the great war began in Europe and I wouldn’t like my inventions used to kill! When on earth will these madmen stop?


Postscript.

You read a brief version of the manuscript of Nicola Tesla. This manuscript version is aimed at a broad audience, therefore there are no details in it understandable only to the specialists. You shouldn’t search for any style similarity of Tesla’s entry with his other known documents in this manuscript version. You shouldn’t forget that this manuscript has been translated by computer, and besides that the condition of the notebook was very bad. However, I tried to convey the main point of Tesla’s notes with the utmost accuracy. Unfortunately, there was a great deal of damage through water effect of that manuscript passage where the generator of ether vortical objects was described. But, nevertheless, from these scraps of data I could understand the principle of work of this generator. However, there is a shortage of several details to have an entire representation.

In Tesla’s manuscript there is information about the biological impact of metal rings to animate nature. There is a way of processing metal wire by alternative current provided in this part of the manuscript. After such processing the metal wire is stranded into a circle designed to kill microbes and protect people against diseases. I tried this method myself. As a result, I didn’t get ill with flu during the last two winters, although I had a flu very often before.

In the unknown manuscript of Nicola Tesla there is the following phrase: - The light moves in straight lines, the ether – around the circle so the leaps arise hereby. – Apparently, by using this phrase, Tesla tried to explain why the light moves by leaps. In modern physics this phenomena is called a quantum leap. Further in the manuscript there is an explanation of this phenomena but it is a little fuzzy. So I will present my reconstruction of the explanation of this phenomena out of conserved words and sentences.

In order to better understand the reason of leap light movement let’s imagine the boat spinning within a huge whirlpool. We will install the generator in this boat. As the rate of movement of external and internal areas of the whirlpool is different then the waves from the generator will move by leaps when passing these areas. The same phenomena we can observe with the light when it passes ether whirlwind. There is a description of the principle of getting energy using ether vortical objects in the manuscript. But it also was greatly damaged by the water. That’s why I will present my own reconstruction of the text. This reconstruction is based on separate words and phrases of the unknown manuscript, as well as in other publications of Nicola Tesla. Therefore, I cannot guarantee exact coincidence of the manuscript text reconstruction to the original.

To understand the method of receiving energy with use of ether vortical objects let’s imagine a huge bleb swimming in the water. This bleb is very stable as it is squeezed by the water from every quarter and it is influenced by the force of radial compression. How can we extract the energy out of this bleb? For this we have to break its stability. It can be done by water whirlwind or if the bleb’s side will be hit by water vortical ring. If using ether vortical object we carry out the same thing with any material body and the result is we will get huge surge of energy. I will present an example: when ball lightning touches any object the result is a huge energy liberation and sometimes an explosion.






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I read this off the webpage of the guy who posted this information. It's secondhand information at best, but I would like to know what all you physics guys think about the theories presented in this supposed manuscript. Regardless of its validity, I enjoyed reading this enough to copy it to a Word document more than two years ago for the opportunity to show it to someone(s) smarter than me and who possibly could test this type of stuff out.
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....sounds like a load of old cobblers.

Anyhow, would anyone like to assist me in the translation of Salvidor Dali's invisible etchings..... So far, all I have is "something, something, oranges, something"?

These were discovered nailed to a watering can in my neighbours picnic basket. laugh.gif
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QUOTE (fivedoughnut @ Dec 10 2005, 05:56 AM)
...You are wrong, Mr. Einstein – ether does exist...

Mr. Einstein didn't repudiated the Aether theory, he just explained, why the Aether cannot be observed directly using light.


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Posted: Dec 13 2005, 02:27 AM


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Hi fivedoughnut, Zephir,

Thanks for your replies. I will agree that having such shady secondhand information is hardly grounds for claiming the document has any validity (insomuch as its alleged inscription by the hands of one N. Tesla), and I in fact do not vouch for its validity. I, too, am skeptical of whether Tesla himself wrote such a manuscript, considering the man rarely wrote anything down related to his research. In my opinion there is the possibility that the author (the narrator, not the original author who is alleged to be Tesla) may have sought to lend credibility or weight to his own theories and so concocted a story to go along with them. Or, perhaps he may actually believe that he found one of the rare hand-written documents and that it is genuine. Whether the theories are Tesla's or Guy Incognito's is not at issue here, but rather the theories and their possible relation to "reality". We would need the source hardcopy as well as one or more handwriting analysts and a sample of Tesla's handwriting in order to obtain a reasonable conclusion on the document's validity.


Regardless of the text's origins, theories are presented in the material and I would like to hear arguments from those more learned than I on the merit of the individual points presented and whether the theories could co-exist with at least some of modern accepted physics.

Zephir, I believe you specifically asked if I could post a link to the article before, so I am interested in your reaction to the material.

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I think this is how the new spy plane can go so fast. To cut a hole in the air with some sort of plasma so it does not rip the ship apart. Has anybody heard about this?
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QUOTE

I think this is how the new spy plane can go so fast. To cut a hole in the air with some sort of plasma so it does not rip the ship apart. Has anybody heard about this?


Nope, however, as it is an "electron cloud" (for the most part anyway), then "solidity" can be altered.

This would do the trick, it would even make it invisible to radar...
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Posted: Dec 13 2005, 08:15 AM


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Hi Simon sez,

True... false.. I guess we will never know. You could help by posting the link to this web page especially if it has a facimile version of it (I have linked an english version below). It may be a fictional "novel" like the Da Vinci Code written by someone who likes a little drama at Christmas. If this is the case it is a pretty low "prank". I think we all know Tesla and Einstein did not "hit it off" together. At the very best Tesla's Paradigms would probably not be understandable to modern Physics any more than Maxwell's view of how electromagnetism propagated by some sort of "ethereal" roller type of "mechanism" in free space. Still... if by chance this was the "inner workings" of Tesla's Mind it would be well worth authenticating it if at all possible. There were some objects or information along with it that give the "find" some "provenance". Born in Croatia he was trained in Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia. A detailed "scanned" image of the whole document might help. There is a Tesla Museum in Belgrade, Yugoslavia... where a handwriting experts could match this information to the real Tesla's Handwriting... to finally prove the claim. Water damage might be only superficial to multispectral analysis. It may be "easy" to reconstruct it if it was placed in the right hands. That "additional material" should be retained at all cost to assist in a proper forensic assessment of the material... even a shoebox is a valuable additional bit of evidence if it was packed in one.

As it is it is a kind of "Science Fiction". A "stocking stuffer" to send to your Physics mates this Christmas. If it is real... an opportunity is being missed here to do the grand old guy a service and to document a mindset that gave the modern world the AC power grids, fluorescent lighting, robots, wireless power transmission, tuned circuits, and thousands of minor and major applications for which he received "less than nothing" in return... in the process making Westinghouse and many others Billionaires along the way... and he into a pauper because he ploughed everything back into the "system" in the hope that it would benefit you and me. He died penniless and paranoid. In the end... finally alone and forgotten.

He was a great man and this document neither detracts nor adds to his statue. He deserved better... in everything.

Just in case someone wants to do the right thing...
Tesla Memorial Society New York
Some Tesla Links
Lost Arts Media Pages - Tesla - slow loading
Tesla_Biography
Einstein's Letter of congratulation on Tesla's 75th Birthday
The Tesla Foundation of North America
The "Tesla" Manuscript (translation only)

Cheers


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QUOTE (Simon sez @ Dec 13 2005, 02:27 AM)
Zephir, I believe you specifically asked if I could post a link to the article before, so I am interested in your reaction to the material.

Well, I can send you a link to the Einstein's understanding of Aether, instead.... wink.gif

I know most of Tesla's ideas a quite well, as my aether wave theory is directly following its Dynamic gravity theory and other Tesla's ideas. As u can see, the Aether existence wasn't problem for Einstein, but later for the so called "scientists", which didn't understood fully his theory. The relativity theory doesn't disprove the Aether existence in any way - instead of this, it explains it.


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Hi zephir and simon sez,

First I would like to comment that I am a real admirer of Tesla but he was a different kind of Genius for a different age. His ideas obviously have merit but I am uncertain that this document can be verified. He was a true pioneer and ahead of his time but his concepts will not sit easily in the 21st Century. Being ahead of his time he assembled a complete set of ideas that had no recourse to the rest of scientific experimentation. Maybe one day it may find a place.

I saw your link to Einstein's Lecture. I noticed that he had commented that the space-time of gravitation was different from the space-time of electromagnetism...
QUOTE (http://www.tu-harburg.de/rzt/rzt/it/Ether.html)
If we consider the gravitational field and the electromagnetic field from the standpoint of the ether hypothesis, we find a remarkable difference between the two. There can be no space nor any part of space without gravitational potentials; for these confer upon space its metrical qualities, without which it cannot be imagined at all. The existence of the gravitational field is inseparably bound up with the existence of space. On the other hand a part of space may very well be imagined without an electromagnetic field; thus in contrast with the gravitational field, the electromagnetic field seems to be only secondarily linked to the ether, the formal nature of the electromagnetic field being as yet in no way determined by that of gravitational ether. From the present state of theory it looks as if the electromagnetic field, as opposed to the gravitational field, rests upon an entirely new formal motif, as though nature might just as well have endowed the gravitational ether with fields of quite another type, for example, with fields of a scalar potential, instead of fields of the electromagnetic type.

Since according to our present conceptions the elementary particles of matter are also, in their essence, nothing else than condensations of the electromagnetic field, our present view of the universe presents two realities which are completely separated from each other conceptually, although connected causally, namely, gravitational ether and electromagnetic field, or as they might also be called space and matter.
from... Ether and the Theory of Relativity,
Albert Einstein,

an address delivered on May 5th, 1920, in the University of Leyden.

This could have been the only position taken in 1920 but many decades later there was the Aharanov-Bohm Effect that changed all that bringing these two "different" phenomena together back onto the one manifold. Einstein would only have learned very late in the piece that a way toward Unification was indeed possible by this path and by the application of a hidden variable theory as espoused by his greatest pupil... David Bohm. This paper was not published until 1959, some time after Einstein's death. The A-B Effect showed that an "undetectable global instantaneous field" did permeate all space-time in the form of the scaler or vector potential field that was not necessarily coupled to the dynamic or static electromagnetic field. In a space confirmed to be without an electromagnetic field (dynamic or static) a topological global dislocation in space-time can exist and be "indirectly" detected which affects both charged and uncharged species (Aharanov-Cashir Effect). I would like to point out that the Standard Model has not included this phenomenon and must in some slight way violate reality in the end. It took many decades for this phenomena to be finally proven in 1986. This was fulfilled in the work of Akira Tonomura...
Benjamin Franklin Medal Awarded to Akira Tonomura
I am sure that Einstein would have responded favorably to David's brilliant theories and to the development of Bohmian Mechanics and his Holographic Principle. These went beyond the Einstein-Rosen Bridge Phenomenon that showed that the "spooky force" did indeed exist. The A-B Effect goes beyond even that and will one day lead to fully Unified Field Theories (such as a String Theory).

At that point in his life he discarded the ideas of Weyl and embraced without limit the concepts of Mach. Later he withdrew from this position. The answer lies somewhere "in between". History locks us all into prisons that limit our view of the world. Einstein.. for all his brilliance could not foresee the advances that would one day be made in experimental sciences nor their startling and unexpected results. I feel sure that if he was given "foresight" he would embrace a type of "String Theory" that embodied all the best of his Special and General Theories. IMHO beneath the quantum lies a holographic continuum not chaos. This is energetically separated from our scale by virtue of the property of mass which is due to "intrinsic" acceleration and thus "mass sources".

As to the existence of Ether, his statements must be taken in the total and we need to ask what is truly meant by this statement...
QUOTE (http://www.tu-harburg.de/rzt/rzt/it/Ether.html)
More careful reflection teaches us, however, that the special theory of relativity does not compel us to deny ether. We may assume the existence of an ether,; only we must give up ascribing a definite state of motion to it, i.e. we must by abstraction take from it the last mechanical characteristic which Lorentz had still left it.

I do not think he is "endorsing" the ether but placing it in the realm of "acceleration" where gravity is not actually a force but simply the curvature of the underlying space-time when there are nearby sources of mass. This he believed came from the most distant parts of the Universe. There are also echoes of the "Cosmological Constant" and this may still have some relevance but I think it will be in a different context today than it would have been in 1920. Like some religions, we either 'move along" or remain rooted in the past. I choose to continue to move along. I believe that this "distant" phenomenon comes from beyond the "fixed stars" and resides in the spin of the entire Universe in higher "real" dimensions. That is where the quantum arises... not at the Planck Length.

At this point in time both physics and history needs a "nudge" into the right direction, and in time this will all become "accepted" as a new paradigm when experiment follows the theory.

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We can disprove easily the invariance for example the surface wave speed to speed of observer using a echolocator (using a sound wave) for detection its motion, or we can disprove the invariance of sound speed with respect of speed of observer using a light wave for detection the sound source/observer absolute speed. But always we need some second wave interaction for detection the absolute frame. The whole Aether "nonexistence problem" is, we haven't a reference interaction for observation of position at the case of light experiments.

It's solely evident, the whole difference is, we haven't such reference frame interaction, as the EMG is the fastest and strongest interaction for long distances, we know. But it is the only difference, from this point of view the light is a quite normal wave and all these "mysterious" so called relativistic effects should be observable in classical arrangement, suppose we'll exclude all other interaction from experiment.

And by the opposite way, all so called mysterious "relativistic effects" can be explained a quite easily in terms of classical physic just by introducing such hypothetical reference frame for light spreading, i.e Aether environment.

Is for example something mysterious on measurement of sound wave speed just using by the sound wave (i.e using just a sound speeaker and a microphone)? Of course not and the result of such experiment will be a quite predictable - the sound speed will be invariant to the speed of source or observer.

Does such experiment confirm or disprove the air existence? Of course not - but why do you expecting after than, the solely light speed measurement (like M-M experiment) can confirm or disprove the Aether existence? It's a shame - we are saying, we are modern and advanced civilization, but such truly fundamental mistake in understanding is over one hundred year old... wink.gif Even the Dr. Einstein did know very well about it - so why we are always trying to ignore such explanation?


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Posted: Dec 13 2005, 02:13 PM


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Hi zephir,

The analogies you use for sound are not directly applicable to light. There is no present "long range" faster than light signaling to verify independently the positions of things relative some universal frame of reference. Experiment must be the final arbiter on these matters. It is very difficult to argue with analogies made using sound when we all know we are speaking about light.

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Hi Good Elf,

Unfortunately the link to the source article does not work any longer. I originally encountered the text nearly two years ago while researching Tesla. The source webpage was linked to from another site as I was sort of randomly following links. I do remember the source webpage had a theme of "controversial works" and "evidence" of obscure science and unexplained phenomena. I wouldn't put too much faith in a random website, especially when concerning "the unexplained". smile.gif
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We would need the source hardcopy as well as one or more handwriting analysts and a sample of Tesla's handwriting in order to obtain a reasonable conclusion on the document's validity.

I wasn't being very clear, but the source hardcopy was not on the website - what I presented to you in text format was what the narrator typed up and put on his webpage! In other words there is no proof that such a document even exists, which is why I predicted the narrator may have simply concocted the story in an attempt to disguise his own theories. Thus there is no way, short of hunting down the guy*, to validate his claims.

Whether they are Tesla's theories or the narrator's, I thought they were pretty novel concerning the nature of the ether. It sounds as though they may have a grain of truth hidden somewhere in there, though it is a little convenient for parts to be missing where Tesla explains his experiments. (Does anyone else detect a little hint of the Philadelphia Project in there?)




* I did not include with my original post the webpage author/narrator's name and contact information, simply to protect his privacy. However he did have this information available and I will provide it to anyone who wishes to pursue validation of his claims. Please e-mail me at simontheinsane at fastmail dot fm (of course you know how it is supposed to look)
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QUOTE (Good Elf @ Dec 13 2005, 02:13 PM)
It is very difficult to argue with analogies made using sound when we all know we are speaking about light.

Oh no, it's very easy instead, as it's solely based on the physical analogy and it's fully consistent with our everyday's experience.

From my point of view no at distance interaction can exists without its environment and the reason, why the light environment isn't observable using a light is evident (the air cannot be observed just using sound, too) - so then You have to explain, why it cannot exist, not me... wink.gif If you consider some different behavior, I'd expect some proof from You, instead.


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Hi Simon,

I see what you write there and I can do no better. I guess that it is in the lap of the "gods". The document is of some interest but not convincing since if it did exist the owner would be "sitting on something of value". If he doesn't recognize that... well what can you do? On balance it is probably a load of bunk. Pity though.
There is another source of the text but that doesn't help... see that link above.
http://farshores.org/wmtesla.htm
QUOTE (Simon sez Posted on Dec 13 2005 @ 02:37 PM)
Whether they are Tesla's theories or the narrator's, I thought they were pretty novel concerning the nature of the ether. It sounds as though they may have a grain of truth hidden somewhere in there, though it is a little convenient for parts to be missing where Tesla explains his experiments. (Does anyone else detect a little hint of the Philadelphia Project in there?)

Worth a look. If true it would be interesting. Some fascinating links above on the guy. Tesla used to write the stuff down, with comprehensive diagrams on bits of paper and then show them to his workers once and then immediately tear them up. He would then expect the worker to duplicate the design exactly. Tesla had an eidetic memory... Brilliant powers of visualization. It was all in his head. If it tells us anything is mathematics was not everything.. his brain was an analog computer and he solved his problems intuitively. It is difficult to think he would write these notes to himself rather than use his brilliant recall.

Here is a link to Tesla's Autobiography and the first six chapters of his life...
My Inventions The Autobiography of Nikola Tesla
We can be sure that this is the "real deal".
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Before I put a sketch on paper, the whole idea is worked out mentally. In my mind I change the construction, make improvements, and even operate the device. Without ever having drawn a sketch I can give the measurements of all parts to workmen, and when completed all these parts will fit, just as certainly as though I had made the actual drawings. It is immaterial to me whether I run my machine in my mind or test it in my shop. The inventions I have conceived in this way have always worked. In thirty years there has not been a single exception. My first electric motor, the vacuum wireless light, my turbine engine and many other devices have all been developed in exactly this way


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It is dangerous to use sound as an analogy for light. There are many fundamental differences between their behaviors.

For example, in the light Doppler effect, it does not matter whether the source or the receiver is moving, the measured shift is the same (in fact special relativity would say the two situations are identical and CANNOT give different results). Light obeys Galilean relativity (only relative motion matters, absolute motion is meaningless).

However for sound, it DOES matter whether the source or the receiver is moving. You get (slightly) different Doppler shifts in each case. Work through an example to convince yourself of this. Because sound travels in a medium (air), it does not obey Galilean relativity.

Other differences arise because sound oscillates in the direction of propagation, while light oscillates transverse to the direction of propagation. For this behavior, (small amplitude) water waves are much closer to light in behavior.
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