Particles have mass, HOW?, Higgs or ?

Once we have geometry of potential space thought out as a center indivisible with rays that are absolute rotation axis of Universe as whole emanating from it to end in projections on infinite sphere that rotates around all these axis , and the shadows of infinitesimals representing their thoughts of their own existance in on the sphere. we get quite a few infinite dimensional spaces:

like :

Space of all rotation axis emanating from center
Space on sphere at infinity
may be more.

I would like to speculate on what numbers should be used where.

Let us assume that counting of indivisibles for time being is done by integers ( though it may be we need transfinite numbers, but I am not yet good enough to use them).

1) If there is spatial presence of indivisible, the number to count it would be positive, since it exists.
2) If it exists, and thought about it does not exist, fine. However, as thought about indivisible appears on the sphere on infinity projected by ray or VIA PROCESSES defined on sphere itself ( information space) , indivisible vanishes. That means that thoughts about existence of indivisible on sphere at infinity has to be counted by negative numbers, since they have the POTENTIAL to destroy , cancel indivisible that exists , positive number. 1+(-1)= 0 in spatial part. The notion of negative numbers as Potential to destroy reality has been long ago noticed by e.g character of a loan- if you have it , the money that will come in really will be cancelled by it, and you will possess nothing.

3) There are many indivisbles spatially present, or not, but all of them EXCEPT one has exactly 1 ray going through them. All these are counted by positive integers ( may be reals,but for example i will not delve into it -not ready yet), while thoughts about them by negative integers on sphere. Any scale of objects can be counted in such was provided we choose the right sphere at infinity where projections of that scale are the smallest discernable.

However, the point in the center, where all rotation axis of infinite sphere meet, we have a different kinf of indivisible, which is present all the time. In fact, it is infinitely DIVISIBLE as infinite number of lines cross it. It is divisible because we can have infinite number of spheres at infinity, all of which are reciprocal to the points in the middle, but at different infinite (or finite) distances from it.

To count such points, or give it a symbol, rather, we need I, imaginary unit. Its reciprocal then, 1/I , represents all the possible spheres at infinity in one symbol, while i represents all the lines -axis of rotation going via the center. having -I represent the spheres follows the same logic with + and - as with indivisibles and thoughts on sphere. So these 2 are not normal points, at all. The center divisible has inner structure comprised of lines crossing in it, while 1/i =-i has inner structure of infinite spherical shells.

4) On the spheres at infinity, we may develop another set of numbers, binary. They will follow the rule that if a thought exists, its 1, if it does not exist, its 0. That also means at the same time that on that particular ray, no indivisible exists (1) or it exists ( 0) somewhere in space, but we do not know where, so binary information gives full picture.

Agains, since we can choose any sphere at infinity so that we will get only projections of things we want to consider integers, binary logic can be applied to objects bigger than indivisibles as well as long as on a given sphere their projections are smallest discernible scale.

5) Once we know that information about conditions of each of infinite scales from indivisibles up can be stored /exist as bits (thougths) on some sphere, the total bits on all spheres will contain information about flash picture of all what goes on in Universe at all scales.

6) The interesting part is , since we have I and -I including all rays and all spheres, there has to be a possibility to link the information bits on a certain sphere and the reality it represents via complex numbers/functions.

That is how far I have got. To make this stick, the counting methods proposed and storage fo information about any spatial configuration has to generalized so that it does not contradict the usual finite counting and use of numbers.

7) The tetration with its strange property that i^(1/) = e^pi/2 infinitely exponentiated = I means in this context that tetration performs the rotations of e^pi/2 which must be related to sphere and indivisibles ( I do not now yet the exact answer, e coming from poisson, 1/2 from division of lines in 2, pi from sphere most likely) across or around all the axis that pass via center I, so it kind naturally spirals into the center point and ends up being I and - I at the same time since tetration does not specify in which direction do we perform the turns- left or right, inward towards I (should be clockwise) , outwards towards -I (should be anticlockwise) .(this I item is also not clear yet where in this Universe one direction may dominate other. ) As long as its empty=no spatial formations, both directions are equally possible, probably.

Alternatively, we can say that self root of I , or -I, meaning we start from center outwards creates e^pi/2. this is not clear yet what is primary.

It might be that the drive towards increasing complexity (caused by ? ) means that inward rotation dominates the spatial development of such universe,hence matter dominates antimatter.

8) There are at least 2 if not 3 rules what happens:

Rules on spatial interactions of indivisibles (perhaps platonic solids , K-vortexes etc geometry)
Rules on binaries on infinite spheres
Rules linking both via I, -I - complex function theory

To this we have to add geometries of sphere at infinity ( hyperbolic) , finite spheres, geometry complex manifolds, of I and -I, more things.

Again, i am trying to understand the internal structure of mathematics. If properly placed on infinite numbers spheres at infinity (the counting of these spheres must be the true place for transfinite ordinals, while surreal numebrs will count the binary path from sphere to sphere starting with OUTMOST that contains the image of indivisible, smallest, with biggest resolution,) It can not but represent all that happens, in one to one resemblance as there is no space left neither spatially, nor informationally for anything else.

The scale wise formations on spheres at infinity will produce TIME , as we progressively follow the path of any image of indivisible from the place where it first appears on outer sphere to the aggregate it ends up in. Such time lines are infinite as well, one for each indivisible. They may form plaits etc, spiral as they progress towards center but are still at infinity, and their interaction will influence what happens with spatial indivisibles. Boolean logic on such sphere may destroy an indivisible in space without much warning.

I don't see why! Once you accept that something will forever and ever escape into space when pushed away strongly enough, you can't both accept that "flat" space has inertia and deny its existence in "round" space.

What is doing the "torquing"?

I love it too! Very cool!

I think it belong here:

I have 3 questions regarding Milo Wolf solutions so far:

1) How do waves turn around at origin to interfere with themselves?
This is very interesting, since obviously, in general case , we may have waves of all wavelengths approaching origin
or, leaving it.

In second case, they have to turn around at infinity.

How does that happen? How do they know )=where is the information stored) that they have to turn around exactly?

Does that mean that origin, earlier considered as mathematical point ( obviously it is not in this case) somehow contains that information? Does that mean that de broglie wave enters the origin, goes into some hyperspace ( e.g imaginary) , calculates what it shall do and gets out of origin in 3D space in opposite direction it came from?

I can accept that, I am just asking what mechanism Milo Wolf has in mind. Or is it just equations that should make us happy about why and how?

2) Please still consider the case where waves cancel out EXACTLY. It is just one case of all possible, nothing special, do not worry.

In this case the phase shift between IN and OUT waves will have to be exactly Pi for ALL wavelengths. So the "mechanism " inside the origin has to perform that shift- or does it just happen because space is ONE and infinite? Somehow I would like a more detailed explanation HOW the wave is turned around because it effectively equals reflection of de broglie waves from ideal conductor of debroglie waves.

So is origin in this model a point of/entry into a hyperspace that is ideal reflector of De Broglie waves?

If it is so, what is the mechanism of reflection? It must happen INSIDE the origin, as reason for other IDEAL conductors reflecting EM waves is inside them, not on surface points which are abstractions.


3) The solution that cancels all de Broglie waves leaving space with NO matter still consists of :

ALL in and OUT waves
Mechanism inside origin that turns phase of all de Broglie waves by Pi.

Can these in/out waves somehow get separated by placing a direction filter of matter waves? What could it be?

If no interference pictures are present since they cancel out, the phase turnign mechanism inside origin IS present and fully engaged. What is IT?

This post has been edited by Ivars on Jun 28 2008, 07:55 AM

Funny thought.

This thread has already many more contributions than Humanity has people understanding the topic.

OH MY DAWG!

I thought this thread ceased to exist!???

Hey there Every one..

How's it all going?

Err~Cheers..

Peter J Schoen..

And on reading this again, it reminded me I wished to respond but was very limited with time at the time, sadly... It completely slipped my mind..

But here we are and here is my suggestion..

Lets start with a one or one hundred percent, so that if we need to refer to a percentage millimeters or if millimeters simply has the quanta to large and unmanageable we imply multiples of what ever system or in the "Universe's" case of course this would have one universe as our starting reference and or constant..

And for every 299792458 meters of NEAR vacuum let it equate to a second of time OR simply "c" this way when we refer to any distance be it solid, liquid, gas or near vacuum the numbers wont confuse us..

Err~Cheers!

Peter J Schoen..

This post has been edited by Laidback on Jun 28 2008, 11:11 PM