Particles have mass, HOW?, Higgs or ?

Hi everyone it has been awhile,

Particles have mass, what mechanism can cause this? We know of one theory {Higgs Mechanism} & it will soon be tested. [LHC] 2007. Do you think this theory is plausible?

We know that matter is made of molecules; molecules of atoms; atoms of a cloud of electrons about one-hundred-millionth of a centimeter and a nucleus about one-hundred-thousandth the size of the electron cloud. [This e cloud, is far richer when investigated Eh!]

The nucleus is made of protons and neutrons. Each proton (or neutron) has about two thousand times the mass of an electron. We believe we understand why the nucleus is so small. We do not know, however, how the particles get their masses.

I believe what I have read not all on this PhysOrg. Forum, this question touches each one in a very quantitative way, if we can speculate in theory on how mass comes about then maybe all the other questions can have a premise to build on.

ciao_
yquantum

PS

I know this deals with the Standard Model, Particle Physics, QM, SR, symmetry, VP, & bosons etc. But what I have had the privilege to read, I know much can be offered if you choose. I am on vacation hope to read your comments, for those who have special events in your country. Happy Holidays.

For a far less than detailed account see my intoxicated "sketches" in fivedoughnuts Spacial vacuoles.

Hi fivedoughnut,



Point the way to your site I would like to read them, I have been gone for a while so it will take awhile for me to find my way -if that is possible-.

So, if your comment is legitimate new is good & if not then I understand. Thank you.

ciao_
yquantum

It's currently 5 topics down in this forum....as for legitimate?...no idea?.. hope you have a fun read!

Mass isn't a "mechanism" its a substance.
E equals MC squared.

Hi Nick,

Sorry, but no cigar. It is a mechanism & E=mc2 does have a role in the process when it comes to energy. I am not up on Particle Physics like Y, but I do know that to brake symmetry it must be less than 250 GeV.

Just to help you out, because I do not want to cause a fuss here. I just read all sites that makes reference to Higgs. You need to check into W-, W+ & Z when particles have E greater than 250 GeV symmetry is preserved.

E=mc2 does play a role glad you mentioned it, kudos Nick.

Best,
darkmatters73

Hi Nick, darkmatters73,

dm is that 73% dark matter/energy?
Good one! Oh, I forgot welcome I have been gone for a while. What other sites are we talking about?

This is not to cause chaos guys, Nick it shows us compared with the energy that AE's relation E=mc^2 associates with its mass.

I would ask you to look into QM & massive gauge boson. High energy & low energy. The low energy predictions that become sensible. [gauge bosons]

Check it out.

ciao_
yquantum

Mechanism or substance???

This is a damn good question.

I can see it terms of a mechanism, in that, it can be manipulated. I can also see it in terms of a substance, in that, mass must be "something"...

I think the answer would be in the middle, it is a substance that can be manipulated by mechanisms...

That would be consistant with the Higgs boson and Higgs field scenarios...

Hi MMC,

Thank you, but I cannot take credit here, you very well know about Petter Higgs. What I love about this theory is it lets the Standard Model particles, quarks, leptons, and W gauge bosons, to have mass.

I have wondered about alternatives, but Peter H. has the best out there as of today.

I hope this will bring much to the table, because there is so much to sink your teeth into. I just hope it helps the Forum because this site has very intelligent people contributing. And the truth be known I want to learn as much as I can.

ciao_
yquantum

At one stage I did not support this, feeling that gravity was something else. Since I got to grips with relativity, I can pretty much see where the higgs field fits in. In fact, I think that it should be called the "Higg's Dimension", as that is more accurate.

I feel that the dilations between Higgs particles act as the mechanism to "expose" mass to our dimension. This would explain why mass increases with acceleration, the dilations cover more area in one second than they normally would.

This would make speed and mass somewhat proportional.

MMC,

I think dimensions has everything to do with Higgs. But that is my background so I understand I can be bias.

Very astute, from my humble frame of reference. And yes I believe we can bring in gravity on the crux of this difficult problem matter [pun].

I know it is unintuitive to visualize this energy field [and there is a reason that the steaming virtual particles in vacuum space play, maybe they are not such a waste of time - Eh! Feynman] yet if we cannot see outside our 4d, then maybe we can see a reflection of the true ubiquitous relationship of its source that will give us insight to other dimensions as you have already stated.

Thank you for your comments. Hope many will help us in this venture of consideration.

yquantum

Particles are having mass, because they having an internal energy - there's nothing about it. The Higgs mechanism should explain just the non zero mass of gauge bosons, but basically it's existence is unnecessary in Aether wave theory, too.

Excellent doughnuts Zeph'......hic!

Hi Zephir,

I remember you from the last time I visited. I have read your Aether wave theory, I hope we can agree that I respectfully disagree in your proposition and with what you have stated in this discussion.

I do appreciate your passion. Thank you for your input.

ciao_
yquantum

Particles have presure. They dont necessarily have to have, what is realized as mass.