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Posted: Mar 14 2012, 08:08 PM


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STDs are diseases of the most difficult to treat. The medical literature confirms that these infectious diseases are most prevalent in the world. It is not surprising if we know that each year become infected with gonorrhea more than a quarter of a billion people in the world!

Of serious diseases caused by sexual relations forbidden herpes, one of the most serious sexually transmitted diseases due to infection by the speed, it is transmitted through direct contact with the patient and the use of special tools. As a result of rampant immorality and the declaration by the spread of new diseases have not heard of before, such as tumor Alguenbita Almatf, and molluscum mollusc diseases and many other things.

The truth of God Almighty when he told us about the consequences of adultery and disadvantages, he said: (32. And come not near to the unlawful sexual intercourse. Verily, it is a Fahishah [ie anything that transgresses its limits (a great sin)], and an evil way ( that leads one to Hell unless Allah forgives him).) [Isra: 32]. Habib Rahman and ratified peace be upon him when he said (and showed them obscene only one card including death) [Narrated by Tabarani]. The question is: if the Prophet peace be upon him say things from himself, then how he knew that the disease will lead to death such as AIDS?

[Moderator: Banned for making unsupported authoritarian claims and not engaging in scientific discussion. It does not take divine revelation to figure out that abstaining from sex will reduce transmission of Sexually Transmitted Diseases, but an HIV infection is not the death sentence it used to be. In addition to human doctors and human invention altering what you regard as divinely appointed fates, HIV is also transmitted by blood transfusion and has infected a disproportionate number of hemophiliacs -- a population not known for sexual excess. ]

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AlexG
Posted: Mar 14 2012, 08:43 PM


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Just some religious ranting.

Nothing of interest.


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Posted: Mar 15 2012, 01:23 PM


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Ah, your god gives HIV to babies. Wow, I'm so impressed. What a great, lovable dude. He also has STDs among animal populations? Wow! That's so benevolent!

Seriously, you bow you knee to something that poisons babies. That's not something to brag about. You'd be better off helping find cures for diseases that don't offend your religious sensibilities.
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Posted: Mar 15 2012, 01:25 PM


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Oops, that was me. Sorry for forgetting to log in.

Anyway, instead of spending time each day worshipping something that tortures babies, maybe devote your time to fighting diseases and suffering.


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Posted: Dec 28 2012, 11:38 AM


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The religious angle often goes overboard with fire and brimstone. The religious POV is simply based on the observed consequences of unnatural behavior and the ripple effect of unnatural behavior. God did not give babies HIV, since it can be traced back to humans becoming unnatural.

Before the time of social and science mops, nature would run its course and the result of unnatural human behavior would be hell on earth. Picture parents with HIV and then giving it to children, but without medicines. This is how nature addresses unnatural behavior that is out of balance.

Luckily in modern times, science keeps developing new and improved social mops to clean up the mess and its ripple effect. But there is always damage to the social floor; fundamental premises of culture, before and after the mops appears on the job site. So many assume mops make this natural and what is not mopped up is due to God and not unnatural behavior and its ripple effect.

Mops are big business and big government, so I don't see science setting the record straight since unnatural is good for business.
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Posted: Dec 28 2012, 08:46 PM


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QUOTE (MDT)
God did not give babies HIV, since it can be traced back to humans becoming unnatural.

What? From screwing monkeys?

God did not give babies the influenza or rubella viruses either, should we bemoan the treatment of these diseases as well?

God allowed viruses to evolve their transmission routes over time, they all had non-human origins at some point.

So donít blame Bonzo, Adam or Steve for the existence of HIV. Blame God.
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  Posted: Dec 28 2012, 09:33 PM


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QUOTE (Capracus @ Dec 28 2012, 08:46 PM)
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God did not give babies HIV, since it can be traced back to humans becoming unnatural.

What? From screwing monkeys?

God did not give babies the influenza or rubella viruses either, should we bemoan the treatment of these diseases as well?

God allowed viruses to evolve their transmission routes over time, they all had non-human origins at some point.

So donít blame Bonzo, Adam or Steve for the existence of HIV. Blame God.

Are you blaming God or evolution. You were mixing and matching in that last post.
If we blame evolution, it seems pointless.

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Capracus
Posted: Dec 28 2012, 09:52 PM


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God is to the best of our knowledge only a metaphor for universal action.

Blame is a subjective expression based on isolated analysis.

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  Posted: Dec 28 2012, 11:57 PM


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QUOTE (Capracus @ Dec 28 2012, 09:52 PM)
God is to the best of our knowledge only a metaphor for universal action.

Blame is a subjective expression based on isolated analysis.

So by saying "So donít blame Bonzo, Adam or Steve for the existence of HIV. Blame God" are you not blaming anyone other than the Universe itself?
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Capracus
Posted: Dec 29 2012, 12:25 AM


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Ultimately yes.
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  Posted: Dec 29 2012, 03:07 AM


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QUOTE (Capracus @ Dec 29 2012, 12:25 AM)
Ultimately yes.

Ultimately has the Universe got an aim, has it got a purpose or is it entirely random? (In your opinion)

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Posted: Dec 29 2012, 09:45 AM


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If it does weíre not in a position to know it. Random is essentially undetermined, so currently much of the behavior in the universe(s) from our perspective is random.
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QUOTE (Capracus @ Dec 29 2012, 09:45 AM)
If it does weíre not in a position to know it. Random is essentially undetermined, so currently much of the behavior in the universe(s) from our perspective is random.

You are not random are you? Very determined in what you do for this site. Deep thinker, and defensive. Leaning toward a medical background. So secluded.
The way you directed someone to argue with a Rabbi, I thought you might be Jewish. But then you would think the Universe had a purpose surely. Whether we know it or not but at least, say you hope so.
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Posted: Dec 29 2012, 01:58 PM


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Seeing that HIV has been successfuly used to treat Leukemia, a cancer, it may actually turn to be a blessing in disguise.
A component of the virus was used to insert a gene into the Leukemia cells. The result, child got cured.


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Posted: Jan 2 2013, 10:00 PM


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Random is an assumption you use when you don't understand cause and effect. This assumption is the foundation premise for a system of math, with statistics allowing one to make good guesses, even with a black box.

In ancient times, the whims of the gods was the way of the universe, because they did not understand cause and effect. While in the random universe of the alchemist, lead could become gold in you could randomize. They did not know these were fixed. They calculated the odds, and it was better than life forming, on earth or mercury, in a random universe (just kidding).

The age of enlightenment was also called the age of reason (light=reason). This is when the randomness of superstition and the gods lof chaos, was replaced by the power of reason. Light in the darkness.

This changed in the 20th century, as statistical math became more and more practical and useful. This powerful math tool allowed some to do more than they could with reason. This cause the golden age of science to end since the black box approach caused reason to atrophy.

Somewhere along the line, the genuine value of this practical math, was mistaken to mean the universe was random. Random is the main premise of this math. This mirror reality cause the math to cart lead the horse. I suppose this was good, since it allowed more people to participate in science, since this powerful math does all the heavy lifting.

Let me give an example of the cart leading the horse. There are certain odds that one will get the flu. We can also calculate how many cases there will be. This is all based on the math averaging a group. This is the math cart. To use that cart you need to assume random or it does not hitch right. It is a fine cart.

Based on cause and effect, I very rarely get the flu. If the flu was based on chaos floating about in a random universe, I have rolled double sixes twenty times in a row. I must be lucky, or maybe the cause and effect of my biology is why chaos leaves me alone. The light of reason shines in the darkness.

Randomness is based on entropy, but entropy is more than randomness. In the case of osmosis, the increasing randomness of entropy, leads to a directed force based on cause and effect. Disorder leading to order.
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