Sun Shield to modify a hurricane or tornado?, Why not use this Idea to weaken storms

What are you talking about?
Do you really think nuclear power plants cause the temperature spike? Everything from the assembly line to automobiles causes global warming, and like that sunshield on hurricanes, your alternative power source will have little effect.

What needs to be done in order to stop global warming is to stop producing pollution.

That's not what I meant.
what I meant was that we would have more then enough power to power our homes, our cars and any thing else if they were all ran on electricity, thus less pollution and weaker tornadoes.

Sorry man, but I just don't see how you can harness a tornado's power. Attach an extension cord to it?

The power of weather is connected to the evaporation and condensation of water. The breaking of hydrogen bonds by the sun evaporates the water. It is not coincidental that the sun, composed of primarily hydrogen, would impact the hydrogen on the earth.The reformation of the hydrogen bonds within the cooler air higher in the atmosphere to form clouds releases hydrogen bonding energy and lowers pressure as water condenses out of the air. The goal of the earth is low surface tension minimum hydrogen bonding potently water or rain. The path often leads to extreme weather events. The warmer ocean waters make it easier for the sun to evaporate the surface water thereby increasing the solar induced potential needing to be released. The solar shield might work but would be impractical to build. Global warming and cooling is a natural process of the earth. It happened before humans and will continue to cycle.

there is a way to harness the power of tornadoes now but the base of the tornado must stay in the same place and that's why the guy who came up with it also came up with a way to create artificial tornadoes. He called the proses the "Atmospheric Vortex Engine" or something like that. Check it out.


and MDT any comments on firing nitrogen in to the tornado?

If I was the "project manager", (piss poor that could be), I would spend the 500 billion or so dollars not on some sunshade that wasn't doubled as a giant solar collection area (yes, too expensive, especially when considering that the space elevator will probobly be used primarely for sucking money out of rich people), instead, spend it on giant wind turbines. At a dollar per watt installed, that's 500 or so gigs of installed clean energy, about the maximum potential of nuclear (open cycle) for one hundred years. X 8,760 (hours in a year) and by .3 (capacity factor), and divide by 1,000 (for KW) and you get 1.3i4 trillion KWH, about a third of what Americans use from the grid alone...

Where am I going with this, Not sure, thought it would buy more! Anyways, the estimate for a workable, sizable solar shield that also conteracts some of the solar energy, (proper orbits could do the rest), would be far more than that, even if we had 10 space elevaters! The electronics to generate energy (PV?) and to turn the thing on and off (steering it would be akin to the prehistoric trying to turn the Titanic - the thin flimsy thing wants to harminize, then reverberate and bust apart).

So, all that I could do is build about $5 trillion dollars worth of clean energy (at less than a dollar per watt). This is close to the total energy consumpsion of US. (About 15 trillion KWH). This should be enough to stop global warming. But wait, that would cost each American household 'bout $2,500 a year for twenty years without financing - just pay as we go! not counting businesses, incentives, whatever).

Someone may point to the fact the U.S use 100 quads / 3414 = about 30 trillion KWH without conversion loss, but there is plenty of quads wasted, close to 2/3rds so only 10 trillion would be needed IF we didn't have to convert most of it into storable energy (and to run the national fleet, disneyland, ect). The other 5 trillion should make the difference for losses fron conversion to hydrogen.

But wait, there's yet another problem, how much will all the electrolyzers, (or whatever) cost? This is where the global economy can help, The U.S. doesn't need to be 100% clean, just 50 or so and the rest of the world can help too.

What a shame, the rest of the world is probably doing better and condeming us because of Bushes oil thing

Excuse me, I cuold't help but promote clean energy as the solution!

Obviously, this just a scenario, all the RE will be used and something better than electrolizers will come to play. For ex. multible sun PV and cheap mylar "mirrors" wraped around a molded "frame" could be cheaper than wind? I would spend a billion just to find out how to tool up a robotic assembly for Multible sun PV, sheish, all the jobs (for humans) would be to merely place them all in the deserts!

You see, if we are to find the solution, we must offset large amounts of "dirty" fuel.

fireofenergy

A tornado has more (make more in a few days) energy then a nuclear power plant makes in a year and a single "Atmospheric Vortex Engine" can replace many nuclear power plants because a tornado can be kept running all yea round. The amount of power produced can be used to power cars if they were modified so there would be no need for oil at least not much.

i have some questions if anyone can answer




1. why is the ice melting in the arctic?

2.is the sun getting the water to warm so it is melting the ice?

3.is it really going to like wipe out all the arctic animals spieces?

4.is there way to much sun light that it cant handly?


i really need the answers i have no clue where to go to find the answers ethier??!!

Answers are easy to come by.

TRUTH is much harder.

Don't take just ONE answer (even mine) as the truth, compare it to other answers. Understand the BASIS for the answer, and the bias of the person providing it.

My bias is I believe that Global Warming is happening, but that it is mainly a NATURAL phenomena. The globe has been warmer before and will be warmer again, with or without man's impact.

As to your questions:

The Ice is melting in the Arctic because it ALWAYS melts in the Arctic during summer. There is no LAND under the north pole and so the melting of ice is based upon ocean currents more so than just the amount of sunlight or the average air temp.

The Arctic temps are also influenced by the Pacific Decadal Oscillation. This is a roughly 30 year cycle of warming followed by a period of cooling of the surface waters of the Pacific. When in a warm cycle, as we are now, the temps in the Arctic tend to rise and the extent of sea ice tends to drop. All warming is caused by the sun, but the PDO is not directly caused by changes in the sun's output.

As you can see from this graph:

http://i2.tinypic.com/sbn4p1.gif



during the last warm phase of the PDO, centerd in the mid 30s the arctic was quite a bit warmer than today.

Which means that this cycle of warming it as unlikely to wipe out all the arctic animals as the last cycle.

In fact, one of the most well known arctic animals, the polar bear is not even an endangered species and last year they RAISED the number that could be hunted as there are plenty of polar bears.

Arthur

what i think is that we need to stop global warming. if we want to have people in the planet for millions and trillions of years we have to stop global warming. we also have to star5t coming up with new plans and experiment so we can save life on earth. its sad to know that the earth is kind of aging and we are making it worse. we should make it stop aging that much. if we want our culture,our people and other things that we love in this world. i hope that god wants this world to last more time and to forgive us for what we have done to it. i want my children's grandchildren to hear the music that we listen to and that past generations have also. i want them to see this site and be happy and say that we made a difference in a difficult time. i want them to see how Dr.martin Luther king and Cesar Chavez and Gandhi and other people struggled. i want them to learn and become better people. i want them to hear about the issues that people faced. i want them to be happy. i bet you want the same for your family in the future. i want the world to be like in futurama and other futuristic shows. so i hope that the world can become a warmer place with less soon to be extinct animals. and that we can figure out a plan to stop global warming without making very drastic changes in our normal life like changing cars to hybrids or other similar things.

I think is possible to create a sort of Tornado shield!
I have a idea where someone think it's crazy!!!
I could be a giant sort of umbrella that travels along with the Tornado most likely where there is Population...
This project could handle Tornados up F4.

Imagine a huge flat disk flying and carrying the Tornado away from your house!!!
Technology today is a graet gift!!!

Dear Sirs!
Please see the paper about UFO,s materials.
Thank you.Sincerely,Henadzi Filipenka,teacher of
materials. hfilipenk@rambler.ru
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Dear Sirs!The information, contained in the project is
in my
opinion
the evidence of its extraterrestrial origin.

Project
of decoding of 'The Stormer Effect'

The phenomenon is described by C.Stormer in his
work 'The
Problem of Aurora Borealis' in the chapter
entitled 'The
Echo of Short Waves, Which Comes Back in Many Seconds
After
The Main Signal'.

In 1928 the radio- engineer Jorgen Hals from Bigder
near Oslo
informed C.Stormer about an odd radio echo received 3
seconds after the cessation of the main signal;
besides, an
ordinary echo encircling the Earth within 1/7 of a
second
was received.

In July Prof. Stormer spoke to Dr. Van-der-Paul in
Andhoven
and they decided to carry out experiments in autumn
and send
telegraphic signals in the form of undamped waves
every 20
seconds three dashes one after the other. On 11
October 1928
between 15.30 and 16.00, C.Stormer heard an
echo 'beyond any
doubt'; the signals lasted for 1,5- 2 seconds on
undamped
waves 31,4 meters long.

Stormer and Hals recorded the intervals between the
main
signal and the mysterious echo:
1) 15, 9, 4, 8, 13, 8, 12, 10, 9, 5, 8, 7, 6
2) 12, 14, 14, 12, 8
3) 12, 5, 8
4) 12, 8, 5, 14, 14, 15, 12, 7, 5.5, 13, 8, 8, 8, 13,
9,10,7,14,6,9,5

5) 9

Atmospheric disturbances were insignificant at that
time.
The frequency of echoes was equal to that of the main
signal. C.Stormer explained the nature of echoes by
reflection of radio waves from layers of particles
ionised
by the Sun. But!

The Professor of the Stenford Electrotechnical
University
R.Bracewell suggested possibility of informational
communication through space probes between more or less
developed civilisations in space. From that point of
view
the information about decoding of Stormer series can be
found in following journals:

'Smena' No.2 Moscow 1966 , 'Astronautics and
Aeronautics'
No.5 USA 1973, 'Technika Molodezi' No.4 1974 and No.5
1977
Moscow, etc.

The author of this work offers the following decoding:
let
the numbers in the series be replaced for chemical
symbols
of elements with corresponding nuclear charges:
1) P F Be O Al O Mg Ne F B O N C
2) Mg Si Si Mg O
3) Mg B O
4) Mg O B Si Si P Mg N B B Al O O O Al F Ne N Si C F B
5) F

It is easy to see that the second series is repeated
at the
beginning of the forth series with the only difference
that
in the forth series silicon is alloyed with boron and
phosphorus, i.e. 'p-n transition' of a diode is
created. The
third series describes receipt of pure boron through
action
on boron anhydrite by magnesium:
B2O3 and Mg = B ...

The author of the above hypothesis wrote his degree
paper on
silicon carbide light-emitting diode, that is why the
ending of the forth series is the most simple- it is a
modern light-emitting diode. Silicon carbide is
alloyed with
nitrogen and boron with 'some participation' of
fluorine.
Approximately the same way diamond is alloyed with
participation of fluorine in laboratories of 'other
civilisations', as can be seen at the ending of the
first
series. In the middle of the forth series corundum,
the base
of ruby, is also alloyed with boron, nitrogen and
fluorine.
In the fifth series simply fluorine is educed as a
useful
but very aggressive gas. Inert neon seems to divide
optoelectronic devices.

In conclusion, some repeated applications should be
noticed:
fluorine favours in a way either diffusion of boron or
electronic processes in forbidden zones of diamond,
silicon
carbamide; for some reason magnesium contacts are used.

Now,MgB2 is supercoductor!!! (2001?)
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In 1928 semi-conductor devices were not in use on
Earth.
It was made in Leningrad,1978.

P.S.This paper is placed in Internet from 1998,please
see at:
http://www.belarus.net/discovery/filipenko/fil2.htm

(in English)
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Superconductivity in diamond, Nature, 428, 542 (2004)
Origin of Superconductivity in Boron-doped Diamond.
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All this discoveries are placed in series of C.Stormer!

http://home.ural.ru/~filip
Sincerely, Henadzi Filipenka,6a-7 Boldina str.Grodno
230030
Belarus

P.S.Superconductivity in doped cubic silicon
E. Bustarret1,7, C. Marcenat3,7, P. Achatz1,3, J. Kamarik1,4, F. Lйvy3, A. Huxley3,8, L. Ortйga2, E. Bourgeois5, X. Blase5, D. Dйbarre6 and J. Boulmer6

Laboratoire d'Etudes des Propriйtйs Electroniques des Solides,
Laboratoire de Cristallographie, CNRS, BP166, 38042 Grenoble, France



http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v444/...ature0
5340.html
2006.

Well, cooler waters may be one effect of that but I would have to imagine that there would be other consequences for this.