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Posted: Oct 20 2005, 02:21 AM


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I"m surprised it has taken this long. Backroom deals are the bane of a republic such as ours, yet to such extremes have we been led by our government. It is truly dispicable. Yet...creators of funny money can"t be tolerated.
Posted: Oct 20 2005, 06:44 PM


Isn't this a privacy violation by the manufacturer? I mean even if asked by a govt agency there is still liability on their part.

For example I have a couple of HP color printers. Now it turns out that HP sold me printers that identify anything I print to anyone in the know. So for example if I had sent an anonymous complaint letter (let's say anonymous because of a justified fear of retaliation) to a government agency my anonymity would have been compromised.

It seems to me that in a state like California, where privacy is a right guaranteed in the State constitution, a cause of action exists for every person who ever bought an HP color printer. Talk about an overhanging liability. I wouldn't want to own HP stock if they get sued over this.

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Posted: Oct 20 2005, 09:28 PM


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It's these kind of news stories that really raise my hackles. I'm no conspiracy nut but being able to trace information is essentially the same thing as censorship wouldn't you say? Isn't that the reason the Bill Of Rights was interpreted as Protection of Privacy? I mean, if the FBI has a right to subpeona your library card how long is it going to be until their asking you to acct for everything printed off your computer?

Part of me wishes I had never read 1984... ph34r.gif
Posted: Oct 20 2005, 09:29 PM

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It explains how to read the date, time, and printer serial number from forensic tracking codes.
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Posted: Oct 21 2005, 05:31 AM


I can’t believe you people are discussing this issue as a “privacy” issue. First of all, the illusion of privacy in America is just that – an illusion. All of the information government agencies (and big corporations) have on you has been supplied by… YOU! Complete financial records supplied by using credit cards and banks, detailed medical records dutifully filled out by you so someone else pays for your medical costs (insurance), full disclosure of all your assets and family relations on tax forms and loan papers, and the list goes on and on.

Look, even the old IBM typewriters could be traced using subtle differences in the manufacturing of the impact heads. What about handwriting analysis – is that a violation of your privacy too?

Get a grip on reality, people! If you want privacy the first place to start is right there in your hand every time you fill out someone’s form – either to get a benefit from government or to let someone else take responsibility for you.

You can’t have it both ways. Either you have privacy and self responsibility or you have a socialistic society where the “State” needs to know who you are and what you’re doing at all times.


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