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Posted: Jun 29 2006, 05:08 PM


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QUOTE (NEU-FONZE @ Jun 29 2006, 04:13 PM)
The condition of WFC 3 after 9-11 is discussed in detail in the well-known FEMA Report on “Building Performance” at the WTC. Thus in Chapter 7 of the FEMA Report in a section dealing with the damage to “Peripheral Buildings”, we read:

“Debris from WTC 1 caused a collapse of the top 8 stories of the 10-story octagonal extension of WFC 3 located at the southeast side of the building. The main WFC 3 building suffered damage from floors 17 to 26.”

This makes it clear that FEMA is describing more than damage from typical “flying debris” which would be confined to small, localized areas, but a more widespread type of damage from a very massive object. All these observations are consistent with the proposition that a very large section of WTC 1 struck WFC 3 and caused extensive damage at locations more than 160 m from the central vertical axis of WTC 1.

These observations are clearly inconsistent with a pancake collapse and do raise serious questions about the energy required to propel a large section of construction material a horizontal distance of 160 m in 10 seconds.

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okay, so a large piece took 10 seconds to travel 160m? more fairies? did they gently float it over? i'm going to take a wild guess that there's no way in hell it FLOATED over SLOWLY.

CS's garbage debunking tactics.....


gallagher swinging a sledghammer at a watermelon, eh?

someone want to do the force calculations for that?

i don't need to. (as per usual, it's obvious)

a watermellon would have to be struck with another watermelon(that is about one tenth of the size), and it would have to be dropped 1/110th of the distance of the complete hieght of the two watermelons in order to even approximately mimic the towers' demise.
do you think we would see the kind of explosion of debris, then?

or, alternatively, you could have gallagher smash a stack of sledghammers. [sarcasm]wow, i wouldn't want to be around when all that shrapnel's flying.[/sarcasm]


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Posted: Jun 29 2006, 05:38 PM


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Old Newtonian:

No need for fairies or watermelons; just a good pair of eyes..........

Amongst the large collection of WTC 1 collapse videos there are a few that show a large block being ejected well beyond the main debris cloud, in an approximately westerly direction, 3 to 6 seconds into the collapse. A readily accessible example of such a video is the well-known 94 second CNN footage, taken looking south from a location several miles to the north of the Twin Towers. (Available from the 911research or, in a slightly different version, the Plague-puppy video archives.)

I wish to focus on the evolution of the debris cloud especially as it appears on the right (westerly) side of southward looking WTC 1 collapse videos. Figure 5-29 in Hufschmid’s book, (taken about 6 seconds after collapse initiation), already shows the debris cloud taking on a strange angular appearance on the western side of WTC 1.

Two or three seconds later a large box-shaped object emerges from the westernmost side of the debris cloud indicating an object moving faster than the expanding cloud.

It may be estimated, (using the WTC dimensions as a comparison), that the box-shaped object noted above is at least 60 m x 40 m – I say “at least” because the block never fully emerges from the debris cloud. However, given the shear size of the object in question, I believe it is an entire WTC section comprising up to ten floors; that this block should be moving very rapidly away from the vertical axis of WTC 1, in what is generally claimed to be a gravity-driven collapse, is very strange indeed!

Using a series of measurements of frames showing the box-like object falling away from WTC 1 as it collapsed, it is possible to estimate values of the height and distance traveled by this object as a function of time after collapse initiation.

I have found that the block was moving away from WTC 1 at a relatively constant horizontal velocity estimated to be about 10 m/s. In addition, the time for the block to fall to the ground is determined to be about 14 seconds and it certainly appears be the object that struck the ground close to the east face of World Financial Center Building 3, (WFC 3) - a distance of almost 150 m from the central vertical axis of WTC 1.

It is very significant that the trajectory of the block suggests it received an initial sideways “kick”. As unphysical as this sounds, it is the only trajectory possible for an object that appears, so to speak, “out of nowhere”, moving downward at the expected free-fall speed (after about 5 sec of descent) of about 50 m/s, but situated more than 100 meters to the west of the vertical axis of WTC 1. To reach such a position only 5 - 6 seconds after collapse initiation, requires a minimum horizontal acceleration of about 1/3rd the acceleration due to gravity...........

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Posted: Jun 29 2006, 06:21 PM


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[QUOTE=555Joshua,Jun 29 2006, 08:34 AM] Feigned ignorance? Is that what's behind posts like these? Or is your mind, like the others, truly undergoing a petrification process.

If you had a company, that was on the cutting edge, of ground breaking technology; the last people, on the face of the earth, that you would want in your R&D dept., would be people of the OCT persuasion. They are beholden to pre-defined realities and are the D.O.G.s of the planet: Dogmatic Official Governance. Hold up a NIST shaped bone and they become loyal pets, ready, at the beck and call, to attack, for their "evil masters". D.O.G.s intelligence are highly overrated. With the exception of "uber fascist", arthur, who's an established cog in the machine of the postmodern totalitarianism; most express hatred for their handlers, but are inexplicably faithful and devoted, at the same time.

OCTer's are reactionary troglodytes who are incapable, by design, of revelation.

--> ser·en·dip·i·ty P Pronunciation Key (srn-dp-t)
n. pl. ser·en·dip·i·ties

-The faculty of making fortunate discoveries by accident.

-The fact or occurrence of such discoveries.

-An instance of making such a discovery.

That is why, those of the CT persuasion are allowed to persist. The CD crowd can still, occasionally, exhibit free associative thinking; the process behind ALL inventive and creative enterprise. Quite possibly, one of us might figure it out, purely, by serendipity. They would never let on if we did or have done so, already; but you can't design your defense until you wittiness the offense, deliberate or not.


The CT movement exists anywhere in the world where there is a computer with web access. Do you think arthurs perverse associates have enough resources to disappear all global interest.

Better to just monitor.

Hey Joe, check it out. This one's getting warm--OK who's available? Well, we have (character assassin) specialist, lenbrazil but this guy's got no public profile, so send in Cspam and we'll quickly bury his idea into the archives, but if he's persistent we'll need arthur to power-point him to death. Don't forget we have this new guy, grumpy, who's even more obtuse then Cspam. He'll find a line in a post and base endless, spammed replies around it. He has absolutely, nothing to contribute to the discussion except his recessive Neanderthal invocations. Even arthur wouldn't want to live next door to this guy, although I would love to see it. Even better, put him in the guest room. He'd park a few junkers on the front lawn, and barbecue in his underwear in front of the neighbors.

Maybe, there is a shard of justice, left, to be had in this world. [/QUOTE]
I see, instead of answering my questions, you question my intelligence. Nice. It appears you are doing so because you can't answer the questions and you're trying to avoid them. cool.gif [/QUOTE]
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If you are truly sincere, in seeking (biased) opinions on the points you raised, than I apologize for the slight. With in this brilliant, but grotesquely, spam-bloated thread, these issues have been discussed endlessly, to no avail. Half of my posts, at least, are oriented along these lines. Even with the search engine, finding the grain amongst the chafe, is still a chore.

May I suggest that you watch the linked video, below. The production value is high, with a soundtrack by Beck, weaving in and out. It's an excellent synopsis, from the POV of those who are alarmed by the "totality" of anomalies surrounding the events of 9/11. If you can find the time to watch it, I'm sure it will nudge you, one way, or the other, off the fence.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6757267008400743688
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Posted: Jun 29 2006, 06:32 PM


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SPAMMING is against the rules and needs to be reported, to clean up the thread. I might look at the tape, some other time. I can't right now.


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Posted: Jun 29 2006, 07:35 PM


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QUOTE (555Joshua @ Jun 29 2006, 10:32 AM)
SPAMMING is against the rules and needs to be reported, to clean up the thread. I might look at the tape, some other time. I can't right now.

555Joshua

Spam is used as a weapon, to drive opposing views off the current page and towards the archives. It is also a vehicle for lazy posters, to give the appearance of substance and effort, by quoting others who may be doing the same thing, until the combined text and imagery reaches a critical mass, approaching a page. One or two lines of vacant commentary is supposed, justification for the gross violation of bandwidth. I'm an insignificant player here, by comparison, but at least my posts are always an original effort, to expand my views, flawed as they may be.

If the URL OF the quoted post was referenced instead of the expanded version, this thread would save big time on bandwidth. Just have the quoted URL open into a new window and both would be there on your desktop, to compare. Of course those who secretly want to crash the thread, to make it go away, are obviously not concerned.

Note, you will probably be advised not to watch the video. Do as you see fit.
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