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Epsilon
Posted: Sep 22 2010, 03:24 PM


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The question is, if black holes are considered infinite in this finite universe, then does that mean due to the space compression due to gravity condensing it in time, does that mean if it was created at the origin on creation it still has the origin at its core?

Or does it just mean that the core of the black hole is near 0 in age? Time goes slow at the core vs the relative universes passing time.

1 minute in the core of a black hole could equal 10,000 years outside of the black hole.
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Ynaught
Posted: Sep 22 2010, 08:57 PM


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Who do you think considers black holes as "infinite in a finite universe"? Maybe the Jetsons?
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Epsilon
Posted: Sep 22 2010, 11:32 PM


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Near Infinite, not infinite. The only thing that is infinite is what is around the universe, not was is inside. Thanks for not giving me an answer.
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Ynaught
Posted: Sep 22 2010, 11:56 PM


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So you question is now,
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if black holes are considered near infinite in this finite universe, then does that mean due to the space compression due to gravity condensing it in time, does that mean if it was created at the origin on creation it still has the origin at its core?


That clears things up a lot. How do you know that the universe is finite?

What is
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the space compression due to gravity condensing it in time..
? Cesar, Waldorf or perhaps Ranch?

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...does that mean if it was created at the origin on creation it still has the origin at its core?
No.

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Posted: Sep 23 2010, 08:33 PM


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QUOTE (Epsilon @ Sep 22 2010, 11:24 AM)
The question is, if black holes are considered infinite in this finite universe, then does that mean due to the space compression due to gravity condensing it in time, does that mean if it was created at the origin on creation it still has the origin at its core?

Or does it just mean that the core of the black hole is near 0 in age? Time goes slow at the core vs the relative universes passing time.

1 minute in the core of a black hole could equal 10,000 years outside of the black hole.

They call the very beginning of the universe just before the big bang a "singularity." They call a black hole a "singularity" also. They do seem to relate the two. They both have one thing in common, all the math for the known theories break down under such extremes. Many of the debates in the physics world center around these extremes.

I collected a lot of video on black holes. Perhaps some of these will answer what you wish to know:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0xFInZ_0Tc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wogZN94-5QU&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pF63fxXMKTM&feature=related

(The other parts of this film are to the right.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-db4iC0aHw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WL_vtu4r1w&feature=related


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Epsilon
Posted: Sep 25 2010, 07:35 AM


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I give the universe a quantitative value of i=1 as Einstein did. The book the Worlds History of Mathematics vol 1-4 verifies this. What is indeed infinite is what surrounds the universe that is not part of the universe, this is the unknown.

Higher gravity in relativity vs lower gravity means 1 minute in high gravity is 2 minutes in low gravity. Relativity is determined by gravity which weighs time and its measurement in duration.

So as I ask again, a black whole created just after the big bang, does it still hold molecules from the near beginning of time. Remember only a few moments may have passed inside the very core of that black holes existence.

Can anyone verify this, and thank you sith I appreciate the links.
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Ynaught
Posted: Sep 25 2010, 11:26 PM


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QUOTE (Epsilon @ Sep 25 2010, 07:35 AM)
So as I ask again, a black whole created just after the big bang, does it still hold molecules from the near beginning of time.

No. First, there were no molecules during the "near beginnings of time" (assuming time began at the BB) and second, the only thing inside a black hole is chopped liver. If you don't agree, prove me wrong.
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