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no1nose
Posted: Aug 26 2005, 10:44 PM


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Evolution is a linear thought form however we live in a nonlinear and quantum universe. Therefore Evolution can never be the complete truth-- only tangent to it at one point. Evolutionary thinking operates completely in a macro linear world whereas life itself occupies a four dimensional nonlinear space with critical functions occurring at the quantum level.

Evolution is based on a foundation that in truth does not exist and so it is at best a very poor guide to explaining life. Evolutionary ideas are in the global sense strictly a linear thought form. Evolutionary explanations are simply unnecessary baggage - that are sometimes be tangent to the truth. Evolutionary theory lacks the power to predict future outcomes and as such is too weak to be considered true science.

The human mind is only capable of linear thought on the conscious level. The unconscious mind can and does make quantum leaps and nonlinear thought. Evolution is a systematic conscious thought and therefore linear.

In short life is n-dimensional and Evolution is (n-x) dimensional and will never fully explain its subject.

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Posted: Aug 27 2005, 12:53 AM


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I love the way you have demonstrated that evolution is linear. Think fast! nobel prize coming at you.
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no1nose
Posted: Aug 27 2005, 01:45 AM


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I didn't say "evolution" was linear. Human thinking is linear therefor our ideas follow a linear form. The real world is not linear and therefor our ideas of what is going on around us (evolution and whatever) will always be tangent to reality and never reality itself. You might as well get used to it.


The human mind is only capable of linear thought on the conscious level. The unconscious mind can and does make quantum leaps and nonlinear thought. Evolutionary thinking is a systematic conscious thought and therefore linear. And therefore will never be anything more than simply tangent to reality at one or more points. The physical world we live in has 3 dimensions plus time (n-space). The world of the mind is different place. The mind can conceive of two places and two times simultaneously. The conscious thought comes out of quantum changes within the one's brain. The problem here that our physical being occupies a different space than our minds. Thus we have problem in understanding the true nature of reality.
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Posted: Aug 27 2005, 01:51 AM


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I think that this macro quantum (1/n) non-tangent thinking is implausible. If you really think that conscious truth functions as a means for extrapolation, you must consider how centered your view of the universe is. Therefore, You must decentralize your view of the world to really understand how the four dimensional space is systematicly permeated by quantum fluxuations.
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Posted: Aug 27 2005, 01:55 AM


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Nice joke no1nose. Yet, you'd be more credible if you added words like : entanglement, noncommutative geometry, stress-energy tensor, 4 leaf clover, poo, virtual particles, turkey, manifold and icthyology. It would widen your vocabulary, thus making your argument better ("quantum", "linear" and "nonlinear" are not sufficient to prove anything in science nowaday).

I also suggest that you get a life instead of spending time posting crap on the internet, it's already quite polluted.
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Posted: Aug 27 2005, 03:23 AM


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Look, I'm sorry No1nose for abusing you. You must understand that I am very insecure. I didn't like what you wrote but I am unable to counter it with anything that anyone would believe, so I chose to abuse you. You must understand that I am the kind of person who would never don't anything like that to anyone's face. I would simply sneer at you and walk off.
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justhikin
Posted: Aug 27 2005, 06:59 AM


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there's no such thing as a complete lie.or fabrication if you will.there is only incomplete truths.as far as explanations go.
i would say to the OP that each man is in the inenviable position of changing if you will his present mass controlled status of misplacement of his real position regarding the referenced consciousness.he may be born free of linear domination but by imitation and education it becomes reversed.the return to the nonlinear mind is the only worthwhile evolution to be worth consideration.not everyone lives long enough to realize this. rolleyes.gif
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Darwin
Posted: Aug 27 2005, 07:59 AM


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QUOTE (no1nose @ Aug 27 2005, 01:45 AM)
I didn't say "evolution" was linear.  Human thinking is linear therefor our ideas follow a linear form.  The real world is not linear and therefor our ideas of what is going on around us (evolution and whatever) will always be tangent to reality and never reality itself.  You might as well get used to it.


The human mind is only capable of linear thought on the conscious level. The unconscious mind can and does make quantum leaps and nonlinear thought. Evolutionary thinking is a systematic conscious thought and therefore linear. And therefore will never be anything more than simply tangent to reality at one or more points. The physical world we live in has 3 dimensions plus time (n-space). The world of the mind is different place. The mind can conceive of two places and two times simultaneously. The conscious thought comes out of quantum changes within the one's brain. The problem here that our physical being occupies a different space than our minds. Thus we have problem in understanding the true nature of reality.


How can you even TALK about nonlinear thinking if only the unconscious level can grasp it? Where you unconscious when u typed that theory here? Could you explain what nonlinear thinking is ? If you can that means the conscious mind can understand it.
Don't we do nonlinear mathematics ALL THE TIME? I we do, are we not conscious when we do it?

WHY COULDN'T WE APPLY NONLINEAR MATHEMATICS TO NONLINEAR EVOLUTION?



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no1nose
Posted: Aug 27 2005, 08:20 PM


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Most discoveries come as sparks from the unconscious mind and not from systematic conscious thinking. Think about that for a while. The point is that the conscious mind is incapable of grasping reality though systematic thought. Evolutionary thinking is just one of many systematic thought forms – all of which to date have become invalid and often absurd over time. I don’t see which what you call “evolution” should be any different.
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Posted: Aug 28 2005, 04:10 AM


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Most discoveries come as sparks from the unconscious mind and not from systematic conscious thinking. Think about that for a while.

Um, i have thought about it. I think this statement is "silly". How is evolution a linear theory and why is conscious and unconscious thoughts relavant to your arguement? Remeber that most of the people in this forum either read alot of science, are trained as scientist or work as one.So we need solid facts (most important) for anything or a "plausable" agruement to convice us of anything.
as for evolution; as a trained biologist, I have seen plenty of evidence for evoltuion. After taking a comparative antomy class and dissecting about seven different animals from hagfish to sharks to cats and finally humans (at a medical school, they were predissected), its pretty easy to see that they share alot of traits with us on the inside. Its not to hard to make a guess that we might be related some how, lets say we might have a common relative way back.
besides your arguement is like me saying that there is no evidience for a world wide flood, therefor everything in the bible (or your religous text of choice) is wrong.
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no1nose
Posted: Aug 28 2005, 05:04 AM


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Try not to blur the distinction between what goes on in one's mind and what is happening in the world around us. In general I am saying that there is not a one to one correspondence between the two. The idea of "evolution" exists in our minds and there is some correspondence between this and the world of living things. But history has shown that this correspondence will grow weaker as new knowledge comes to light.

If you want to go ahead and be a “Darwinian Zealot” and hang in there with "evolution", in the end you will get what you deserve - but don't say you weren't warned.
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  Posted: Aug 28 2005, 05:17 AM


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also i forgot to mention that math doesn't really prove anything, atleast a 100 percent.
like the girls are evil arguement.
it goes like this:

We all know that girls mean time and money, so we have
Girls = Time*money
and we all know that time is money so we have...
Time = money
so that leaves us with
Girls = Money^2
and we all know that money is the root of all evil so.......
Girls = money^2 = Evil
Girls = Evil ohmy.gif

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no1nose
Posted: Aug 28 2005, 05:19 AM


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Right: I am 15 and you are 15 so together we are 30
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Posted: Aug 28 2005, 08:49 PM


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If you want to go ahead and be a “Darwinian Zealot” and hang in there with "evolution", in the end you will get what you deserve - but don't say you weren't warned.

Oh, no i was warned. I believe there about 200 or so religions in the world warning about something or someone. I mean really, lets act like adults for once.
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Try not to blur the distinction between what goes on in one's mind and what is happening in the world around us. In general I am saying that there is not a one to one correspondence between the two. The idea of "evolution" exists in our minds and there is some correspondence between this and the world of living things. But history has shown that this correspondence will grow weaker as new knowledge comes to light.

your arguements are silly. i mean the bible and stuff also exsist in your mind too.
i need real proof, evidience, not some zany, pseudo-deep thought cr@p. If you can prove that some one created the world without having to go "Cause the bible said so" then maybe someone will take it seriously.
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no1nose
Posted: Aug 29 2005, 05:29 AM


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