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Posted: Jan 23 2010, 01:00 AM


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QUOTE (Quantum_Conundrum @ Jan 22 2010, 10:26 PM)
What is "good" about a line of nearly 200 year old buildings that in no way live up to modern codes, but continue to be allowed in use? It's a wonder somebody hasn't died from some sort of collapse.

Old buildings are often more efficient than newer ones in cooling without a/c, which saves loads of energy.

All you really need for truly green living is a roof, floor, and walls. Insulation is good to keep the heat in during cold months and out during hot ones.

The trick would be to get the local stores to carry more healthy groceries. Local produce would be a plus. Probably they already stock toilet paper for whenever you need it.

I hate driving and especially sitting in traffic. I hate navigating parking lots. I love riding a bike to stores because I can park closer than the closest parking spaces.

I don't understand why more workers and businesses don't cooperate to move work and homes closer together. Life would be so much nicer if you could bike 3-5 miles to work each day.
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Posted: Jan 23 2010, 01:42 PM


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QUOTE (light in the tunnel @ Jan 22 2010, 08:00 PM)
I hate driving
I love riding a bike

You really need to stop assuming that YOUR specific Likes and Dislikes are the same as the general populations.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/wayoflife/0...omen.bicycling/

Before bicycles came along, the horse was the best means of individual travel.

By the late 1880s, the bicycle's popularity really took off. For instance, in 1880, a group of early cycling advocates called the League of American Wheelmen had a membership of 40; by 1898, its ranks had bloated to nearly 200,000.

Cycling was so popular that in 1896 The New York Journal of Commerce estimated bicycling was costing theaters, restaurants and other businesses over 100 million dollars per year.

And it was the first form of transportation that women could readily adopt:

Susan B. Anthony once said, "Let me tell you what I think of bicycling. I think it has done more to emancipate women than anything else in the world."

The 1900 United States Census Report, released more than 20 years after the introduction of the bicycle, said, "Few articles ever used by man have created so great a revolution in social conditions as the bicycle."

Until the CAR came along.

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Life would be so much nicer if you could bike 3-5 miles to work each day.


Maybe to YOU.

But

The vast majority of people continue to choose the car as their preferred method of transportation.

Arthur

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Posted: Jan 23 2010, 03:06 PM


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QUOTE (adoucette @ Jan 23 2010, 01:42 PM)
You really need to stop assuming that YOUR specific Likes and Dislikes are the same as the general populations.

I don't. I was just expressing my personal preferences. Don't read more into things than are meant by them.

I'm all too aware of personal automobile fixations. Compared to bicycles, these vehicles are enormous, hyper-complex, and costly. What makes people think that transporting themselves is worth all the energy and effort that goes into producing and maintaining an automobile?

More so than that they think they're worth it, the effect is actually usually the other way around. They avoid facing their personal doubt of their self-worth by focussing on their car as a measure of their worth as an individual. People are hiding in their cars, and relying on their cars to signify something they wish they could be. Cars are masks and social props.

The speed and distance of traveling in a car also lets people avoid most of their environment. As the scenery flies by in a blur, they get the feeling that they control a larger chunk of geographic territory than they've even begun to witness.

But I believe you're right. The weak individuality of most people means that they will continue driving as long as possible, and only begin to consider other forms of (pedestrian) transportation when a sufficient trend has developed to do so. Until then, they will cling to their steering wheels and scoff and people who dare to get around in other ways. They are mostly miserable behind the wheel, but with the help of radio they can hypnotize themselves until their deliverance somehow magically emerges.
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Posted: Jan 23 2010, 03:13 PM


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QUOTE (light in the tunnel @ Jan 23 2010, 03:06 PM)


But I believe you're right. The weak individuality of most people means that they will continue driving as long as possible, and only begin to consider other forms of (pedestrian) transportation when a sufficient trend has developed to do so. Until then, they will cling to their steering wheels and scoff and people who dare to get around in other ways. They are mostly miserable behind the wheel, but with the help of radio they can hypnotize themselves until their deliverance somehow magically emerges.

I guess youre just better than them.



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Posted: Jan 23 2010, 03:23 PM


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They are mostly miserable behind the wheel, but with the help of radio they can hypnotize themselves until their deliverance somehow magically emerges


Pretty much.

I hardly ever listen to ANY music any more, and usually don't watch anything other than the News or Weather on television any more either.


Almost all media and entertainment has become simply a method of capitalist hypnosis and conditioning. Additionally, now that the radio and televison have been around for a while, there has even begun to develope this "hypnotic entertainment aristocracy" whereby multiple generations of the same family are basicly "groomed" by the entertainment industry to be the next mass-hypnotist instrument. Miley Cyrus and Angelina Jolie are prime examples. Thus the "invisible hand" capitalism has developed into a hypnotic psuedo-CASTE system, and has virtually none of the good characteristics of the caste system, and all of the abuses.

They are harlots in every sense of the word, because they sell sex, even Miley Cyrus has already started doing the striper thing now, while the american people are whoremongers. but it's all "good" because we live in a "democracy" where everything is "good" as long as (50% + 1) people with seared consciences think it's good.

ANYWAY, if you want to be hypnotized by someone elses brand of morality, and of course brainwashed to crave their products more and more, television, music(mp3, radio, walkman, whatever), and internet gaming are the best possible thing you can do to brainwash yourself.
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Posted: Jan 23 2010, 03:34 PM


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QUOTE (light in the tunnel @ Jan 23 2010, 10:06 AM)
I don't.  I was just expressing my personal preferences.  Don't read more into things than are meant by them.


I know they are your personal preferences.

Which is why I said:

You really need to stop assuming that YOUR specific Likes and Dislikes are the same as the general populations.

As in your quote:
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Life would be so much nicer if you could bike 3-5 miles to work each day.


But the REALITY is you are a snob who apparently thinks your are better than most people.

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They avoid facing their personal doubt of their self-worth

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People are hiding in their cars

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People are... relying on their cars to signify something they wish they could be.

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The weak individuality of most people

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They are mostly miserable

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they can hypnotize themselves until their deliverance somehow magically emerges


My experience with people who think they are better then everyone else is that your opinion of yourself is not shared by most of the people you meet.

Which, ultimately will hinder your success in life.

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Posted: Jan 23 2010, 03:35 PM


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Wow, talk about a superiority complex... QC and LITT, you take the cake.
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Posted: Jan 23 2010, 03:42 PM


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I ... usually don't watch anything other than the News or Weather on television any more either.


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even Miley Cyrus has already started doing the striper thing now


LOL

Me thinks the lady doth protest too much.....

What news channel are you watching?


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QUOTE (flyingbuttressman @ Jan 23 2010, 03:35 PM)
Wow, talk about a superiority complex... QC and LITT, you take the cake.

Probably normal self-confidence seems like superiority from the perspective of self-hate and insecurity you experience as a baseline.

Superiority and inferiority are two sides of the same coin: i.e. ego.

Get over defining yourself in a status hierarchy vis-a-vis others and, voila', superiority and inferiority gone.
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Posted: Jan 23 2010, 04:25 PM


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QUOTE (adoucette @ Jan 23 2010, 10:42 AM)



LOL

Me thinks the lady doth protest too much.....

What news channel are you watching?


Arthur

If you are wondering about news media bias, I am aware of these things, which is why I try to avoid using the same news programing too much.

If you are on the democrat's channel, it's all the republican's fault, and if you are on the republican's channel, its all the democrat's fault...

"We are a FAIR AND BALANCED 'no spin zone' program..."

"...in other news, that other network is spreading their propaganda and lies again..."

Or let us never forget the tylenol vs advil vs aleve thing, whereby all of them claim nine out of ten doctors prescribe their product most....

More likely, nine out of ten commercial ads is an outright lie on at least one point...




Also, I'm not a lady. I'm a man and straight...

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Posted: Jan 23 2010, 04:32 PM


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QUOTE (Quantum_Conundrum @ Jan 23 2010, 11:25 AM)
I'm not a lady. I'm a man and straight...

The phrase "the lady doth protest too much" indicates that you think the subject's ardent denial of a proposition is meant to cover up its embarrassing truth.

For example, if you offered someone a beer and they said "No thanks. I absolutely hate beer. Never touch the stuff, ever. I can't even imagine ever wanting to drink a single drop of that filthy, mind-numbling liquid. It's poison to me. I absolutely do not want a beer," you might well think that they were trying hard to restrain themselves from taking it.


http://everything2.com/title/The+lady+doth...h%252C+methinks

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Posted: Jan 23 2010, 05:05 PM


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QUOTE (light in the tunnel @ Jan 23 2010, 11:00 AM)
Probably normal self-confidence seems like superiority from the perspective of self-hate and insecurity you experience as a baseline.

LOL, ok Sigmund Freud.
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Superiority and inferiority are two sides of the same coin: i.e. ego.

No, a superiority complex is when you think that you are better than other people for whatever reason. In your case, you think you are better than people who drive cars on a daily basis.
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Get over defining yourself in a status hierarchy vis-a-vis others and, voila', superiority and inferiority gone.

It's not my fault that you don't know what a superiority complex is.
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QUOTE (light in the tunnel @ Jan 23 2010, 04:00 PM)
Probably normal self-confidence seems like superiority from the perspective of self-hate and insecurity you experience as a baseline.

Superiority and inferiority are two sides of the same coin: i.e. ego.

Get over defining yourself in a status hierarchy vis-a-vis others and, voila', superiority and inferiority gone.

Is that how you justify slavery?


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Posted: Jan 23 2010, 05:15 PM


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QUOTE (adoucette @ Jan 23 2010, 11:32 AM)
The phrase "the lady doth protest too much" indicates that you think the subject's ardent denial of a proposition is meant to cover up its embarrassing truth.

For example, if you offered someone a beer and they said "No thanks. I absolutely hate beer. Never touch the stuff, ever. I can't even imagine ever wanting to drink a single drop of that filthy, mind-numbling liquid. It's poison to me. I absolutely do not want a beer," you might well think that they were trying hard to restrain themselves from taking it.


http://everything2.com/title/The+lady+doth...h%252C+methinks

Arthur

I have never tasted beer or smoked anything or took any illegal drug, and can't possibly imagine why I would want to, given rational examination of the relationship of those things to death and injury through accident, violence, foolishness, and disease, and have never found it difficult to refuse the few times a friend was mis-guided enough to offer it to me or otherwise suggest that I should. I find no rational reason to want to put those substances in my body at all.


And let's be clear, because I will admit I HAVE viewed pornography before on more than one occasion, lest you miss the point. It's defnitely not something I'm proud of, because I fail to live up to my own moral convictions. It is also misleading and ungratifying, and promotes false and even unhealthy expectations of real sexual experiences. And this is precisely what the entire Hollywood movies, music, and music-video industry preys upon.


And it is quite contrary to what you have described. For me, it is more like having been dared to touch a hot stove, and then regretting taking the dare....quite different from what you have described...
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Posted: Jan 23 2010, 05:18 PM


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Wow, way to COMPLETELY miss the point.
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