Relativity in Quran ?, is it true or just misuse of science...

I don’t know whether it was discussed before if so then plz provide the link. Here is what I found on the net which clams to be the science in Koran. They say that even the theory of relativity is there in Koran I request u to comment on this more scientifically.
Link: relativity_quran

Do we have to really believe in these I feel it is just a jumbling of the words to prove some thing wrong as correct. I brought this to this science form as we could discuss with science background.

thanks

Well, one huge problem I see is the guy's footnotes don't reference any actual scientific material.

I'm also pretty sure 2pi*R cannot be used to calculate the length of an ellipse since the radius is not constant.

And I'm fairly sure that objects don't move in an ellipitcal orbit around planets because of the pull of OTHER gravitational bodies. At least that seems to be what he's implying when he says if the moon and earth were isolated from every other gravitational influence the moon would travel in a circle around the earth.

Salam,

I can tell you that this thing seems made up to me. I couldn't convince my self that the interpretation of the 1000 years is the distance travelled by the moon in a 1000 years. I most certainly think that there is no such Tafsir by any Sheikh. My first language is arabic, and I can tell that the interpretation of the verse is wrong in this concept! Wallahou A3lam!

Y. D. (Physicist in the UK)

Y.D,

Sorry to correct you; However, I believe the correct interpretation of that verse is actually "Ah whap bomb a lou bop a whap bang boom"......by the prophet L. Richard.

Assalam o Alaikum

I would appreciate it if you have respect for the religion of Islam. I did not think that it would be necessary to reiterate that in today's world, ignorance prevails that is ignited by propaganda, and knowledge is oppressed.

In simpler terms, please research before saying anything.

Thanks.

Try to motivate us for reading.... Is Koran able to predict something new?

This post has been edited by Zephir on Jul 6 2006, 07:51 PM

You can't, it would imply that the perimeter of an ellipse is just 2pi(a+b )/2 = pi(a+b ) where a,b are the lengths of the axes. The parameter of an ellipse isn't so nicely defined, it involved elliptic functions

http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Ellipse.html

Therefore, the precision of the calculation is completely out. Then consider it's not a closed orbit but instead a spiral loop though space. Therefore it wouldn't be so easy, you'd have to compute the length of a 3 dimensional non-closed spiral, which doesn't have the same length as just a closed loop many times, it's much bigger. Therefore the answer is completely wrong.

The rest of it is just using hindsight to stretch the meaning of passages WAY beyond anything they were meant to and connecting the meaning to something in physics.

Sorry, but I think you're taking WAY too far when you connect 'knocking a hole' (knocking a nail into wood makes a hole, not exactly uncommon) with the ENORMOUSLY complex ideas of neutron stars and black holes.

The same applies to the rest of it. Total hindsight and stretching things way beyond their actual meaning. I mean there's 'it's allegory' and then there's that!

Also, is the Quran is so awesome at physics, why have I read on some big islamic websites it predicts that the universe will collapse back in on itself. That's totally counter to everything we know.

This post has been edited by AlphaNumeric on Jul 6 2006, 08:29 PM

If this is the 18th century, I will tell you that Quran WILL predict a lot of science that is in it.

In other words, what I mean is that what modern science has proven in the last century or so was already found in the Quran that is the only book in mankind's history with zero change. Before I go on, I would like to state that the Quran is said to be the book for all of mankind. Therefore, it should be compatible with how previous generations lived, and also with today's technological and science-led world.

Quran is not a book of science, but about SIGNS, but over 1000 verses (signs) speak about science.



To start off, with very very basic knowledge, science has theorized that the universe came into existence with the phenomenon called the Big Bang. Alhamdulillah, this was given in a nutshell in the glorious Quran in Surah Anbiya, Chp 21, verse 30: "Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder?"

2) Again in Chp 21, verse 33: "It is Allah who has created the night and the day, the Sun and the Moon, each one travelling with its own motion." Alhamdulillah, we know now that it takes the sun approx. 25 days to complete its rotation.

3) Hubble said that universe is expanding, in Holy Quran, chp 51, verse 47: "AND IT IS We who have built the universe with power; and, verily, it is We who are steadily expanding it". The Arabic word musi'una is called "vastness of space" >> "expanding"

4) The Holy Quran has also described the water cycle in great detail: Chp 86, Verse 11, and in (Chp:Ver): 24:43, 30:48, 39:21, 23:18, 30:24, 15:22, 7:57, 13:17, 25:49 and many others.

5) in field of Geology, we know that deeper layers of Earth are hot and cannot sustain life, and that the upper-most layer (the crust) could shake. Quran says in CHp 78, verse 6-7: "We have made the Earth as an expanse; and the mountains as pegs." Today we have come to know, that moutains has got deep roots, and the part on top that we see is very small (much like a glacier) and much of it is within the Earth...this explanation is exactly like how pegs (or stakes) are, which are driven to the Earth as markings or for support are only a small portion of them are above the ground.

Quran further says in chp 88, verse 19 and in chp 79, verse 32: "And we have made mountain standing firm on the Earth"...today after modern geology has advanced, by the theory of plate tectonics, the geologists today do say that mountains give stability. Not all geologists, but most of them.

In the Quran, it already states, that mountains give stability. Nowhere does is it state that they prevent earthquakes, because that is simply not true.

6) Chp 55, verse 19-20: He has given freedom to the two great bodies of water, so that they might meet:; between them is a barrier which they may not transgress. What does the Quran mean? We know there is sweet water and salt water, but what is it about not mixing? The scienitific point to note here is that when one types of water goes into the other, it loses it constituents and gets homogenized before it flows. So there is a slanting area, which Quran refers to it by the unseen barrier. People back in that time did not about sweet and salt water, but no one knew that there is an unseen barrier. It is proven recently, which is another reason that Quran is in fact the book of Almighty Allah.


I could write an essay on scientific facts in Quran that are now proven recently.

As for your question, there are many things in Quran that we do not know of. One may say they are neither true nor false because we do not know of them. For example, if you asked me how a child looks like inside woman's womb about four decades ago, I would not be able to answer it. In the Quran it says that when man is born inside woman's womb, it looks like a leech. No one could know that until now with advanced technology, which is confirmed by Professor Keith L. Moore from University of Toronto that a human in fact looks like a leech when inside woman's womb.



Einstein said himself, "Science without religion is lame, and religion without science is blind."


I would like to end with two verses from the Quran, chp 2, verse 79: "Woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say this is from Allah, to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for what they earn."

Chp 17, verse 81: And say: "Truth has (now) arrived, and Falsehood perished: for Falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish."

I am not a scholar, but this is what I could offer. I still try to seek knowledge. If you have questions, I will try my best to answer them.
Wa aakhiru da'awani walhamdulillahi rabbil 'alamin.

This post has been edited by Ali on Jul 9 2006, 01:01 AM

It is a well known hoax. It is an insult to the muslim religion, the site should be destroyed like the Danish cartoons.
The author has been refuted in many other forums, a fatwa on his head.

This post has been edited by Pupamancur on Jul 9 2006, 12:36 AM

80% portion of Quran has been testified by the Modern science to be true, and other 20% is not been proved to be "wrong" but yet to be prove "right or wrong".

Only in your twisted ignorant, deluded excuse for a brain. - that work of complete nonsense only stifles progession - thus, is totally evil.