Will Cern Find The God Particle?, Stephen Hawking says no!

Anyone wish to take up Stephen Hawking bet of $100?
I say he is right and I would say twice that would be a better bet.

Anyone think he is wrong?

Hawking bets CERN will not find the God Particle


Quote" Renowned British astrophysicist Stephen Hawking has bet 100 dollars (70 euros) that a mega-experiment this week will not find an elusive particle seen as a holy grail of cosmic science, he said Tuesday.
In the most complex scientific experiment ever undertaken, the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) will be switched on Wednesday, accelerating sub-atomic particles to nearly the speed of light before smashing them together.

"The LHC will increase the energy at which we can study particle interactions by a factor of four. According to present thinking, this should be enough to discover the Higgs particle," Hawking told BBC radio.

"I think it will be much more exciting if we don't find the Higgs. That will show something is wrong, and we need to think again. I have a bet of 100 dollars that we won't find the Higgs," added Hawking, whose books including "A Brief History of Time" have sought to popularise study of stellar physics."

Although I must agree with Stephen Hawking on this one, I do hope the folks at CERN can prove him wrong. However, if they don't succeed in discovering the Higgs particle this time around, you can bet that it won't be long before they do.

There is no such thing

mass is relative, and is only electrodynamic drag

To my own chagrin, I would have to agree with Hawking on this one, and if I could, I would back his bet. I believe that CERN will find some new novel particles, the Higgs will not be one of them. The energies obtained in the LHC will bring us nearer to understanding what happened closer to the moment of the Big Bang than ever before, but the "holy grail" will be reduced to the stuff of legend.

Those polls are actually quite important :)
Does anyone remember those atom-bombs lost in the water outside Spain?
The successful search for them were actually constructed around a betting pool.

People that got different vistas to choose from and then made their guesses.
There was an algorithm created that this guy who got the idea focused on.

Some of those 'vistas' was already thrown away by the official search team as being to far-reaching.

But it worked splendidly and this algorithm if i got it right is now widely used in searching.

Wish I could give you the name of this guy but it's just something that came to mind reading about your predictions here :).
The idea behind it, if I'm right, is that we seem to know more than we know ourselves.
But if anyone know more about it feel free to tell me.

And the strangest thing to me is that it seems to work :)
So?

This post has been edited by yor_on on Sep 12 2008, 12:31 PM

No, they won't find a "God particle".


God isn't a particle and a particle isn't God.


Also, particles and fields cannot be fundamental because they have "more fundamental" properties.

This statement shows just how bad your grasp of the concept is.

If you know so much about the LHC why did you not know that the real tests have not begun.

http://www.physforum.com/index.php?showtopic=4830&st=2055#Doc asks why it has not happened


[/QUOTE]Okay, it's become quite apparent now that the earth hasn't been sucked into a black hole in Switzerland. Nor have any stranglets been running around the planet wreaking havoc.

Trippy had to inform you of what they were doing on the first test.

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Just because it hasn't happened yet, doesn't mean it isn't going to happen, besides, head on beam collisions won't start until October, and I clearly said that the danger was from the products of these collisions, and besides the beam's only run at 450 GeV, hardly ground breaking territory,

I think you just love to make others wrong!

They aren't going to find a fundamental particle, or a fundamental anything "within" the universe.


What is is what is.


Atheists have chosen to reject the one True fundamental: Jesus Christ and Him Crucified.


"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God. He made all things...and the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us..."

"For God so loved the World that he gave his only begotten Son that whoever believes on him shall not perish, but have eternal life."

"God did not send his son to condemn the world...(for) whoever does not believe is condemned already."

"I am alpha and omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end."

Jesus: Nothing is more fundamental. Nothing is more elemental.

If you want to know fundamental reality, its as simple as a prayer to the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, for "Whosoever shall call upon the Name of the Lord shall be saved."

Postmodern physics is a "well without water" and a "wandering star", and "ever learning, but never able to come to the knowledge of the Truth."

God has said to those who will come unto to Him, "I will restore the years that the locust and the palmerworm and the cankerworm have eaten," and "I will pour waters upon your dry and thirsty souls," and "everything shall live where the river comes."

"The time is fulfilled...Repent and believe the Gospel."

Take up the Cross and follow Jesus, "For my yoke is easy and my burden is light."

I wasn't talking about the LHC, I was talking about Quantum_Conundrum's grasp of the name "God particle".

Look again, bozo. Trippy was being sarcastic and issuing a mock statement from ubavontuba.

...Not to mention that much of the public's fear of the LHC was centered on the first test on Wednesday.

It's not too hard when people start quoting the Bible to back up their assertions on a physics forum.

"I wasn't talking about the LHC, I was talking about Quantum_Conundrum's grasp of the name "God particle"."


Place this name in Idiot's Hall of a Fame.

The mad CERN’s project.

This week's startup of Europe's Large Hadron Collider didn't generate
a big bang or a black hole, but it did generate a big reaction from folks
who followed our series on the "Big Bang Machine."
More than 40,000 people voiced their opinion by clicking through
our unscientific survey or by discussing the issues in online forums.
Full Story:
http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/archive/200...12/1386080.aspx

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The mad CERN’s way.

In 1906, Rutherford studied internal structure of atoms,
bombarding them with high energy a- particles.
This idea helped him understand the structure of atom.
But the clever Devil interfered and gave advice to physicists
to enlarge the target. Bomb them!
And physicist created huge cannon-accelerators of particles.
And they began to bomb micro particles in the vacuum, in hoping
to understand their inner structure. And they were surprised with
the results of this bombing. Several hundreds of completely new
strange particles appeared. They lived a very little time and do not
relate to our world. Our Earth needs its real constants of nature.
But this was forgotten.
What God carefully created, is destroyed in accelerators.
And they are proud of that. They say: we study the inner structure
of the particles. The clever and artful Devil is glad. He again has deceived man.
Physicist think, that an accelerator - is first of all the presence of huge energy.
And the Devil laughs. He knows, that an accelerator - is first of all the Vacuum.
But this, he has withheld from man.
He has not explained that the Vacuum is infinite and inexhaustible.
And in infinity there is contained an infinite variety of particles.
And by bombing the vacuum, one can find centaurs and sphinxes.
But my God, save us from their presence on Earth.
========= .. ========.
Rutherford was right.
His followers are mistaken.
Why?
Imagine, that I want to plant a small apple- tree.
For this purpose I shall dig out a hole of 1 meter width and 1,20 m depth.
It is normal.
But if to plant a small apple- tree, I shall begin to dig
a base for a huge building (skyscraper),
or if to begin drill ground with 10 km. depth,
will you call me a normal man?
========== .. ===============.
Imagine a man who breaks watches on the wall.
And then he tries to understand the mechanism of the watches
by thrown cogwheels, springs and small screws.
Does he have many chances to succeed?
As many as the scientists have who aspire to understand
the inner structure of electron by breaking them into accelerators.
If not take into account the initial conditions of Genesis,
the fantasies of the scientists may be unlimited.
========== . ======== .
The Nature works very economical.
For example, biologists know 100 ( hundred ) kinds of
amino acids. But only 20 ( twenty) kinds of amino acids
are suitable to produce molecules of protein, from which all
different cells created on our planet. What are about another
80 % of amino acids? They are dead end of evolution.
The physicists found many ( 1000 ) new elementary particles in
accelerators. But we need only one ( 1) electron and one (1 )
proton to create first atom, to begin to create the Nature.
All another elementary particles (mesons, muons , bosons, taus,
all their girlfriends - antiparticles, all quarks and antiquarks…etc)
are dead end of evolution.
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The Universe as whole is Vacuum, at first of everything.
So, instead of understand that Vacuum, Electron, Proton are
themselves, the physicists break them in the pieces.

Best wishes.
Israel Sadovnik. / Socratus.

http://www.wbabin.net
http://www.wbabin.net/comments/sadovnik.htm
http://www.wbabin.net/physics/sadovnik.pdf

Beautiful philosophy.

Somebody wrote to me:
“You haven't completely understood what happens in those accelerators.

They do not smash atoms and elementary particles to see what's inside of them (like you proposed in your "smashing a watch" example). We already know what is in a proton, for example. It's quarks by the way.
What they try to do is create an environment where a collision between particles will occur, creating massive amounts of energy. That energy will CREATE new particles out of nothing, according to the E=mc^2 formula. Because of the amount of the energy in that accelerator, it has been speculated that the higgs boson will come into existence.
The higgs boson is the only particle predicted by the standard model (physics) which has not yet been observed.
I hope my answer has helped you, and i wish you have an open mind in your searches, best wishes “
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Once again:
That energy will CREATE new particles out of nothing,
according to the E=mc^2 formula.
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So, the process is going in Vacuum.
My question is: “ How in Vacuum ( without accelerators) the
God-particles are born according to the E=mc^2 formula, of course ? “
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Depends on your definition of god, eh?