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| tototo |
Posted: Jul 5 2008, 08:27 PM
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if
x=1+ω^x+ω^{2x} find x ω is The cube root of unity |
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| excaza |
Posted: Jul 5 2008, 08:29 PM
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Three
User posted image: User posted image This post has been edited by excaza on Jul 5 2008, 08:29 PM -------------------- PuckSR: Think of the dumbest child you knew when you were young. Now suddenly advance him 30 years in age and smash him in a head with a brick. You have now approximated the intellectual capacity of dad1.
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| AlphaNumeric |
Posted: Jul 5 2008, 08:42 PM
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It cannot be done algebraicly, because you end up with a variable both normally and exponentiated. 1+ω+ω^2 is easy, it's 0. But each term raised to the power of x means this isn't true.
However, having plotted both the real and imaginary parts of 1+ω^x+ω^{2x}-x between 0 and 2pi, there's a root common to both graphs, x=3. In this case you end up with 1+1+1-3, which is indeed 0. This is the only solution, as can be seen by taking absolutes of various bits. -------------------- The views in the above post are those of its author and not those of the people who educated him through a degree and masters, supervised him or collaborated with him during his PhD, paid him to teach and mark undergraduate mathematics and physics courses or who pay him to do research now.
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| tototo |
Posted: Jul 5 2008, 08:43 PM
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but how
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| excaza |
Posted: Jul 6 2008, 02:08 AM
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He just explained it to you.
You have omega equal to the "cube root of unity" which is the cube root of 1, which is 1. Regardless of what you choose x to be, you have x = 1 + 1^x + 1^2x, and the only value of x that makes the equation valid is 3. i.e. 3 = 1 + 1 + 1. If you choose x to be, say, 0, you have 0 = 1 + 1 + 1, which obviously isn't true. -------------------- PuckSR: Think of the dumbest child you knew when you were young. Now suddenly advance him 30 years in age and smash him in a head with a brick. You have now approximated the intellectual capacity of dad1.
BoL: I love how you ignore the fact that a team of russian scientists actually found hell and heard the screams of the damned. DavidD: Where is my nobel prize? DavidD: This is fact, which don't need to prove! DavidD: BTW, HIV can be cancer... |
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| AlphaNumeric |
Posted: Jul 6 2008, 06:32 AM
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No, the n'the root of unity is cos(2pi.i/n) + i sin( 2pi.in) = exp(2pi.i/n). The other roots of unity are then exp(2pi.i.m/n) for m=2,3,....,n, so there's n of them. 1+ω^x+ω^{2x} = 1 + exp(2pi.x.i/n) + exp(4pi.x.i/n) Therefore, the real and imaginary parts of 1+ω^x+ω^{2x} - x = 0 are 1 + cos(2pi.x.i/n) + cos(4pi.x.i/n) - x = 0 sin(2pi.x.i/n) + sin(4pi.x.i/n) = 0 You can solve the second one to get x is an integer. The first one then only have to be checked for integers. Since -x is a monotonic decreasing function and cos(2pi.x.i/n) + cos(4pi.x.i/n) is periodic, with absolute modulus less than 2, you only need to check the region between x=-1 and x=+3 (the offset is due to the +1 term). This can be done by hand because you only need to check 5 values of x. Job done. -------------------- The views in the above post are those of its author and not those of the people who educated him through a degree and masters, supervised him or collaborated with him during his PhD, paid him to teach and mark undergraduate mathematics and physics courses or who pay him to do research now.
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| excaza |
Posted: Jul 6 2008, 02:21 PM
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Hmmm, that's what I get for stopping at differential equations. I never knew that about the roots of unity.
AN is wise -------------------- PuckSR: Think of the dumbest child you knew when you were young. Now suddenly advance him 30 years in age and smash him in a head with a brick. You have now approximated the intellectual capacity of dad1.
BoL: I love how you ignore the fact that a team of russian scientists actually found hell and heard the screams of the damned. DavidD: Where is my nobel prize? DavidD: This is fact, which don't need to prove! DavidD: BTW, HIV can be cancer... |
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