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Posted: Jul 5 2008, 08:27 PM


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if

x=1+ω^x+ω^{2x}

find x

ω is The cube root of unity
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Posted: Jul 5 2008, 08:29 PM


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Posted: Jul 5 2008, 08:42 PM


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It cannot be done algebraicly, because you end up with a variable both normally and exponentiated. 1+ω+ω^2 is easy, it's 0. But each term raised to the power of x means this isn't true.

However, having plotted both the real and imaginary parts of 1+ω^x+ω^{2x}-x between 0 and 2pi, there's a root common to both graphs, x=3. In this case you end up with 1+1+1-3, which is indeed 0.

This is the only solution, as can be seen by taking absolutes of various bits.


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Posted: Jul 5 2008, 08:43 PM


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but how
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excaza
Posted: Jul 6 2008, 02:08 AM


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He just explained it to you.

You have omega equal to the "cube root of unity" which is the cube root of 1, which is 1. Regardless of what you choose x to be, you have x = 1 + 1^x + 1^2x, and the only value of x that makes the equation valid is 3. i.e. 3 = 1 + 1 + 1. If you choose x to be, say, 0, you have 0 = 1 + 1 + 1, which obviously isn't true.


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Posted: Jul 6 2008, 06:32 AM


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QUOTE (excaza @ Jul 6 2008, 03:08 AM)
You have omega equal to the "cube root of unity" which is the cube root of 1, which is 1

No, the n'the root of unity is cos(2pi.i/n) + i sin( 2pi.in) = exp(2pi.i/n). The other roots of unity are then exp(2pi.i.m/n) for m=2,3,....,n, so there's n of them.

1+ω^x+ω^{2x} = 1 + exp(2pi.x.i/n) + exp(4pi.x.i/n)

Therefore, the real and imaginary parts of 1+ω^x+ω^{2x} - x = 0 are

1 + cos(2pi.x.i/n) + cos(4pi.x.i/n) - x = 0
sin(2pi.x.i/n) + sin(4pi.x.i/n) = 0

You can solve the second one to get x is an integer.

The first one then only have to be checked for integers. Since -x is a monotonic decreasing function and cos(2pi.x.i/n) + cos(4pi.x.i/n) is periodic, with absolute modulus less than 2, you only need to check the region between x=-1 and x=+3 (the offset is due to the +1 term). This can be done by hand because you only need to check 5 values of x.

Job done.


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Posted: Jul 6 2008, 02:21 PM


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Hmmm, that's what I get for stopping at differential equations. I never knew that about the roots of unity.

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