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> Bringer-of-light - Religious Idiot., Here's the proof.
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Posted: Jun 27 2008, 06:44 PM


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QUOTE (Bringer-of-Light @ Jun 27 2008, 06:26 PM)
Another thing- I am being honest and argueing on the issues, you are trying to show personal flaws as mine and use them as a reason to discount my arguments. There is a difference.

We are being honest with you and showing you, your ignorance which you have displayed starting with your choice of name.
There is so much you don't know but you come on here acting as if you have all the answers.


And you still havn't told us why you reject Mohamed and the Koran.
Or if you have I missed it.


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Posted: Jun 27 2008, 07:16 PM


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QUOTE (Bringer-of-Light @ Jun 27 2008, 01:41 PM)
Gmilam - your cruelty is uncalled for.

Anyone who threatens people with eternal damnation has earned any and all verbal abuse that comes their way.

If you want to discuss science, then let's discuss science. If you want to judge people, then the judgement you give shall be the judgement you receive.


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Posted: Jun 27 2008, 07:21 PM


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Dabeer- I understand what you are saying and I respect you and the arguments you have advanced on this forum but there are a lot of good people in hell. Heaven Is reached through Christ alone and without Christ there is only hell. It may not be fair because some people never even get the chance to hear about Jesus and some people are brainwashed into atheism but it is what it is.


This always confuses me...
You say this as plainly as saying "his shirt is red" or "the sky is blue".
Yet, you have no real concrete reason to believe that statement.

Show me any proof of your claims about hell and "Christ"


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QUOTE (gmilam @ Jun 27 2008, 02:16 PM)
Anyone who threatens people with eternal damnation has earned any and all verbal abuse that comes their way.

If you want to discuss science, then let's discuss science. If you want to judge people, then the judgement you give shall be the judgement you receive.

BoL,

Since you brought up the "collective unconscious" I assume you are familiar with the writings of Carl Jung. Are you familiar with his theories on personality?

If so, let me give you a little insight about me. On the MBTI test I register as an INTP. Part of the INTP profile is:

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They're very tolerant and flexible in most situations, unless one of their firmly held beliefs has been violated or challenged, in which case they may take a very rigid stance.


Your threats of hell have violated one of my firmly held beliefs. If you drop the judgemental attitude, then I'll drop the insults.

But then you still have that arrogant name... (Damn, I really am trying.)

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Posted: Jun 27 2008, 08:41 PM


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I didn't know that atheism could count as a deeply held belief. I stand corrected. I don't know why you don't like my name. I did not mean for it to seem arrogant and I still don't understand how it does.

My speaking about hell is done for the benefit of those who need a reminder of the fruit that misdeeds and faithlessness bear. I'm not trying to be insulting here.


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QUOTE (Bringer-of-Light @ Jun 27 2008, 03:41 PM)
I didn't know that atheism could count as a deeply held belief. I stand corrected. I don't know why you don't like my name. I did not mean for it to seem arrogant and I still don't understand how it does.

My speaking about hell is done for the benefit of those who need a reminder of the fruit that misdeeds and faithlessness bear. I'm not trying to be insulting here.

The deeply held belief/principle is you threatening people with hell. You are in no position to judge anyone.

Bringer of light is implying that we are in the dark. If you don't see that as arrogant, then maybe you need some light.

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My speaking about hell is done for the benefit of those who need a reminder of the fruit that misdeeds and faithlessness bear. I'm not trying to be insulting here.


And the road to hell is paved with good intentions. First of all, IF you truly wanted to "help" people you would realize that when you attack someone and claim they are going to hell, it causes people to get defensive. When people get defensive they are less likely to absorb anything you say.

However, since I am pretty sure you are not actually here to "help" people I think you are accomplishing exactly what you are trying to. That being making yourself feel better by telling others they are going to hell.


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Posted: Jun 27 2008, 08:55 PM


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Why would I feel good about people going to hell? Hell is a very unpleasant place. I am here because the idea of people roasting in hell is painful to me.


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Why would I feel good about people going to hell? Hell is a very unpleasant place. I am here because the idea of people roasting in hell is painful to me.


I don't believe you, BUT if you are being honest, then you need to find a different approach. Attacking atheists with claims about the bible will never work. Any person with half a brain should be able to see that. You need to find a way to discuss the merits of your religion without attacking people. When people get defensive, or insulted they tune you out. Now, the problem here is that many of the atheists on this forum arrived at such a position on years of thought, introspection and studying, both of religion and science. Most people here have made up their minds, and without new and convincing evidence will not change their minds.

Like another poster said, maybe you should stop debating people on the internet and get out in your community and do some good for people. I bet you if you feed a homeless man he would be much more likely to listen to you with an open mind than someone you insult. And even if he doesn't convert to your brand of christianity, at least you will have helped someone. This is something your god likes.

Its funny, you also came here spouting "tolerance and love" but you seem to be one of the most intolerant and loveless people I have seen on these forums. You should be tolerant of other people's beliefs and respect the fact that they have made decisions and are willing to face the consequences of these decisions (if such consequences as hell exist)


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QUOTE (Bringer-of-Light @ Jun 27 2008, 06:18 PM)
What do you think hell is? A playground?

Belief in a "Hell" goes back to the hollow earth theory where people believed there is a world inside where bad people are burned by the hot magma. fire, and brimstone they sometimes observed coming to the surface. If you can prove this is true then there is a Hell, which shouldn't be hard if you can then find the hole that leads into it. Might be fruitless though, considering the depths that have been drilled or mined to without ever reaching a hollow inside.

Hell is supposed to be right here, below your feet and almost within shouting distance, not some far away place or dimension. So why has it never been found?


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QUOTE (Gary Gaulin @ Jun 27 2008, 09:34 PM)
Belief in a "Hell" goes back to the hollow earth theory where people believed there is a world inside where bad people are burned by the hot magma. fire, and brimstone they sometimes observed coming to the surface. If you can prove this is true then there is a Hell, which shouldn't be hard if you can then find the hole that leads into it. Might be fruitless though, considering the depths that have been drilled or mined to without ever reaching a hollow inside.

Hell is supposed to be right here, below your feet and almost within shouting distance, not some far away place or dimension. So why has it never been found?

ROFLMAO
This feller can't even get his fictional cosmology right...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell


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QUOTE (Bringer-of-Light @ Jun 27 2008, 08:55 PM)
Why would I feel good about people going to hell? Hell is a very unpleasant place. I am here because the idea of people roasting in hell is painful to me.

You should feel bad about going there yourself.


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I forgot about this. There was once a dig in siberia where they drilled to a new record depth and broke into a hollow chamber only to heae the screams of those from hell. If you haven't heard of this I know why. Atheists control the media and they suppress this sore of thing. They do the same to ghost sightings.


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Atheists control the media and they suppress this sore of thing


How do you explain fox news then? And I thought it was the jews who controlled the media?

I love this argument. You hate a group, then you claim that they control the media and everything is a big conspiracy. You are an idiot Bringer of Light!


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QUOTE (Bringer-of-Light @ Jun 27 2008, 04:41 PM)
They do the same to ghost sightings.

Have you tuned into the SciFi channel lately?

I can't escape the damn paranormal/hauntings shows. Jeez, and they are blantantly BS.

Example: "I have a meter that detects electromagnetic energy. Look at how the needle moves when I point it over there."

Yeah, I have one too. It's in my camera bag. Although I usually call it a light meter. biggrin.gif


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