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GeneSplicer
Posted: Jun 26 2008, 07:25 PM


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I am not necessarily argueing that atheism is a religion, I am trying to figure out what sort of pedestal relativity and quantum mechanics occupies. I don't like the sound of such things.

More like the more education one receives the higher the chance one will become and atheist.

And again, AlphaNumeric did not say that those theories were turning people into atheists

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As for my refusal to debate; Post some direct questions and I will directly answer them as I have done several times


LOL. Yeah, more echoes of DB.

Try the other threads in this forum where I have posted like here.

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Posted: Jun 26 2008, 07:25 PM


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QUOTE (Bringer-of-Light @ Jun 26 2008, 07:10 PM)
I don't know deadbeats definition of religion and I'm not using it in this thread. I am saying that is relativity and quantum mechanics are turning people into atheists as AlphaNumeric suggests, then they must be replacing God in people's lives.

Relativity and Quantum mechanics are turning people into atheists, eh?

So tell me, what does porn do to us?

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That was a good one, even if I may say so myself...

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Pppfffttt. Bring-of-Light... What is that smell? sniff... sniff*** is that ganja? Are you smoking something dude? whoa dude, whatever it is....

Put it out, it is waaaaaaaaayyyyy too much for anyone here.

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Posted: Jun 26 2008, 07:26 PM


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I am not necessarily argueing that atheism is a religion, I am trying to figure out what sort of pedestal relativity and quantum mechanics occupies. I don't like the sound of such things.


Relativity and Quantum Mechanics are on the pedestal of being quantitative physical theories that have made predictions which were subsequently confirmed by experiments. I think Alphanumeric was suggesting a correlation between people knowing/understanding relativity and QM and being atheist. Not that it turns people atheist, or that all people who know both of these theories are atheist (I personally know many physicists who have a better understanding of both than I and are religious). But there seems to be a trend that the better you are at science, the less likely you are to believe in god.

And this does not mean it is becoming their religion, it just means that they have gained knowledge that leads them to believe that god doesn't exist. You are looking into this to much and trying to find things that aren't there.


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Posted: Jun 26 2008, 07:34 PM


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QUOTE (Bringer-of-Light @ Jun 26 2008, 02:20 PM)
Gmilam- I am alive, and I can communicate and think etc. Why would I suppose that this would end at death? I can't prove an afterlife but since nothing can be created or destroyed it is the most sensible conclusion available. What about spirits and near death experiences?

I hope you don't consider that as scientific evidence... If so, then the American education system is in worse trouble than I thought.

1. What theory claims that NOTHING can be created or destroyed?
2. Could you communicate before you were born? No? Then what makes you think it will continue after you die?
3. A near death experience is like knocking on a door, and then thinking you know what's on the other side.
4. Spirits, never met or seen one myself.

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QUOTE (gmilam @ Jun 26 2008, 07:34 PM)
I hope you don't consider that as scientific evidence... If so, then the American education system is in worse trouble than I thought.

1. What theory claims that NOTHING can be created or destroyed?
2. Could you communicate before you were born? No? Then what makes you think it will continue after you die?
3. A near death experience is like knocking on a door, and then thinking you know what's on the other side.
4. Spirits, never met or seen one myself.

1. The law of conservation of mass

2. Sure babies are conscious in the womb.

3. Some people have glimpsed the other side and then been able to speak of what they saw.

4. Having never seen a spirit yourself you assume that they can't exist?

Steveo - anout relativity and quantum mechanics: If I told you that I loved coke and drank it every day until I discovered Pepsi and then I turned my back on coke; wouldn't you take that to mean that I replaced coke with pepsi? That's how I understood what AlphaNumeric said.


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QUOTE (Bringer-of-Light @ Jun 26 2008, 03:49 PM)
Steveo - anout relativity and quantum mechanics: If I told you that I loved coke and drank it every day until I discovered Pepsi and then I turned my back on coke; wouldn't you take that to mean that I replaced coke with pepsi? That's how I understood what AlphaNumeric said.

Then you are not understanding what he stated. That has been pointed out to you twice now.


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QUOTE (Bringer-of-Light @ Jun 26 2008, 02:49 PM)
1. The law of conservation of mass

2. Sure babies are conscious in the womb.

3. Some people have glimpsed the other side and then been able to speak of what they saw.

4. Having never seen a spirit yourself you assume that they can't exist?

1. Conservation of mass? Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. We return to the Earth from which we came. No promise of an afterlife there.

2. I'll give you that one. (I worded the question poorly.) But since you claim that NOTHING can be created, then your eternal soul ™ must have always existed. Remember anything prior to your conception?

3. Oh, they cracked open the door and saw a light... very impressive - NOT. Of course if you'd like to perform the experiment and come back with the info, I'd be willing to listen to you.

4. I used to think that spirits may exist, but after 50 years of NO (or fabricated) evidence for them... I've come to the conclusion that they don't. Once again, if you've got any concrete evidence I am open to the possibility.







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QUOTE (Bringer-of-Light @ Jun 26 2008, 07:49 PM)
Steveo - about relativity and quantum mechanics: If I told you that I loved coke and drank it every day until I discovered Pepsi and then I turned my back on coke; wouldn't you take that to mean that I replaced coke with pepsi? That's how I understood what AlphaNumeric said.

What if I told you I loved coke. But it rotted my teeth, kept me awake at night, aggravated my gout, increased my weight, increased my chance of getting Diabetes, and my Doctor suggested I stop drinking it?
Would you assume I switched to Pepsi?

Saying religion does not have proof of something is not saying that science does.
Good scientists can accept "we can't know" as an answer.


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QUOTE (Bringer-of-Light @ Jun 26 2008, 12:50 PM)
The statements about relativity and quantum mechanics just go to show atheism for what it truly is: a religion. Do you atheists deny this?

There are thousands of scientists who are religious. If one believes in Relativity and Christ simultaneously, does one have two religions? No. Science is not a religion. Please abandon the false notion that religion and science are mutually exclusive.


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The statements about relativity and quantum mechanics just go to show atheism for what it truly is: a religion. Do you atheists deny this?


Wow...dumber than a brick.

Next, you can explain how anarchists actually believe in a form of government.

There is a 'religion', or at least a philosophy based on "science". It is known as naturalism. Several people might consider themselves naturalists. However, it doesn't change the fact that atheism only believes in one thing: that there is no god or supreme being

Now, what do you care about relativity or quantum mechanics?
You don't understand physics.
You don't really seem interested in learning anything.
You assume that people "believe" in these things, which is ridiculous.

Science may be responsible for creating a lot of atheists, but that doesn't mean that science replaced atheism. Skeptics might prove that the Loch Ness monster is fake, but that doesn't mean that your belief in the Loch Ness monster is replaced with a strong belief in skepticism.


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Posted: Jun 26 2008, 11:22 PM


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Religion is a philosophy.
Philosophy is not a religion.

Please people, get it straight.


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Bringer-of-Light,

I thought you said you would address my questions?

Why have you not addressed this one?


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Why are you so quick to defend realtivity and quantum mechanics? All that's clear is that relativity and quantum mechanics leads to atheism. It may not serve as a replacement for God but knowledge of such things must be in opposition to God. Such filth is exactly why I am going to homeschool my son.


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QUOTE (Bringer-of-Light @ Jun 26 2008, 08:21 PM)
All that's clear is that relativity and quantum mechanics leads to atheism.

Narrow mindedness, blindness, and ignorance lead to fundamental christianity.

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QUOTE (Bringer-of-Light @ Jun 26 2008, 08:21 PM)
Such filth is exactly why I am going to homeschool my son.

Be sure you teach him how to say, "Would you like fries with that?" biggrin.gif


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