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> Math Logic Disproves Evolution Part Ii
no1nose
Posted: Jun 11 2008, 06:08 PM


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My motivation for writing this post is not to change your minds but to give you something to think about and to test my beliefs in an open forum. Steel sharpens steel as it is written so thanks to you who care and are willing to make the effort to fight for what you think is right.

I am still very much convinced that Evolution is simply an idea in some people’s minds and not the reality of the natural world. It is no coincidence that it parallels Christianity so closely - this was where Darwin stole most of “his” ideas.

Both Evolution and Christianity are about the transformation of one species into another. For Christianity it is the creation of the new man. Darwin’s scenario begins with one member being different at birth. This follows Christianity as Jesus was different – being conceived by the Holy Spirit. In Evolution this “mutation” gives the individual an advantage in survival. Having been raised from the dead proves that Jesus was a survivor. Finally in evolution the member of a species are not like this new individual becomes “extinct”. This too follows the Christianity in that those who do not accept Jesus are lost. Please note that none of these ideas are self evident in the natural world. They are read into it by our preconceived ideas.

Even if I am completely wrong - evolution itself points to Jesus as mankind’s savior. We can easily see this by asking the question “from an evolutionary point of view who will transform and “save” mankind?”

If everyone became like Jesus there would be no hunger because he was able to feed people. Neither would be there be sickness, war or death. The same can not be said for Buddha, Mohamed, or Moses or anyone else one can think of. So even from an evolutionary point of view Jesus is the one.

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Posted: Jun 11 2008, 06:43 PM


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QUOTE (no1nose @ Jun 11 2008, 06:08 PM)
Both Evolution and Christianity are about the transformation of one species into another.

"Evolution" in Christianity is a spiritual evolution. Darwin's theories are centered in the observable, the objective, the physical. Surely you understand there is a difference between the spiritual and the physical world?

I was also unaware that spirits could be classified into "species".

I'm not even going to *touch* the rest of this post.


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Edit: By the way... math? Where??

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Posted: Jun 11 2008, 06:45 PM


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Wow... just wow. blink.gif

Passing question... How many people do you know who have become like Jesus and can produce food from thin air?


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Posted: Jun 12 2008, 07:54 AM


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QUOTE (no1nose @ Jun 11 2008, 07:08 PM)
So even from an evolutionary point of view Jesus is the one.

Stop stealing ideas from 'The Matrix'. Get your own.


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Posted: Jun 12 2008, 09:39 AM


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Jesus is the most repeated orator in history. The words he spoke and the life he lead are tossed around millions of times a day.

There is however, a greater reading of Paul in churches . Paul was a pharisee who persecuted Christians until encountering "the vision"


Here is where I cannot reconcile Christianity at all . An American, born and raised in America could not in an instant become a Chinese with Chinese thoughts. Despite the environment at the time....This is just not possible....

Paul remained a pharisee because he taught like a pharisee...Most of what he writes is new laws "given him by the word of God". This despite the time Jesus spent teaching twelve men the correct rules of life as a changed man.

It is this area which you might save your greatest criticism , for Paul made the christian laws even though he received no teaching from him.

Jesus was IMO one of the greatest scientist of his day. If only a few stories about him are true, he did something pretty incredible. Though he spake to many persons NOT to repeat what he had done. But this was ignored......

Just to add a further search for you , try and find examples in the old testament of demons.


Jesus fulfilled the laws of his people. Went beyond this and vilified the transgressions in law which were hurting common folk....you want a villain....blame Paul......Jesus was a cool dude. I like him . Don't like crap being said about him because he was his own man and harmed no one.

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Posted: Jun 12 2008, 02:25 PM


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Don’t you think that before you start talking about a religious figure such a Jesus that you present something to prove that he actually existed first?

I mean would you not make the same demands if it came to someone making claims about Hercules or Cu Cuchulain as a real person rather than a mythical figure?


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Posted: Jun 12 2008, 04:42 PM


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QUOTE (GeneSplicer @ Jun 12 2008, 09:25 AM)
Don’t you think that before you start talking about a religious figure such a Jesus that you present something to prove that he actually existed first?

I'm tempted to believe that a figure like Jesus did exist. I do not, however, believe that he had supernatural abilities or powers or anything 'godlike'. I believe that his story was taken up and mired in so much symbolism and mysticism that it ended up the way we see it today.


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Considering the large gap of time between the claimed time Jesus lived and when his deeds were turned into gospel, I can see you point, but how would one support the claim he was a real person?

A majority if not all details surrounding his origins comes from legends and legendary figures that predate Jesus.


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Posted: Jun 12 2008, 08:41 PM


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As I see even mathetical logic disproved evolution.
Math is the most rigorous science right?
Consider evolution disproved.
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Posted: Jun 12 2008, 09:01 PM


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QUOTE (Evans @ Jun 12 2008, 08:41 PM)
As I see even mathetical logic disproved evolution.
Math is the most rigorous science right?
Consider evolution disproved.

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Posted: Jun 12 2008, 09:03 PM


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QUOTE (Evans @ Jun 12 2008, 08:41 PM)
As I see even mathetical logic disproved evolution.
Math is the most rigorous science right?
Consider evolution disproved.

Hystero-meter is going through the roof! laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif


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Posted: Jun 12 2008, 09:06 PM


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Oh how very smart. Your posting laughing smiley faces is so intelligent. But what else shld one excpect from atheist right?
When there are no arguments you have to post smiley faces like littel kids
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QUOTE (Evans @ Jun 12 2008, 09:06 PM)
Oh how very smart. Your posting laughing smiley faces is so intelligent. But what else shld one excpect from atheist right?
When there are no arguments you have to post smiley faces like littel kids

Mybe if yu strtd usng teh spll checkr yu'd look a littel mre intllgent.


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Posted: Jun 12 2008, 09:11 PM


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QUOTE (Evans @ Jun 12 2008, 09:06 PM)
Oh how very smart. Your posting laughing smiley faces is so intelligent. But what else shld one excpect from atheist right?
When there are no arguments you have to post smiley faces like littel kids

Oh how very smart. Your posting Religiously biased crap is so intelligent. But what else shld one excpect from an idiot right?
When there are no arguments you have to post rubbish like littel kids tongue.gif


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Evans
Posted: Jun 12 2008, 09:17 PM


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QUOTE (Sinister Utopia @ Jun 12 2008, 09:11 PM)
Oh how very smart. Your posting Religiously biased crap is so intelligent. But what else shld one excpect from an idiot right?
When there are no arguments you have to post rubbish like littel kids tongue.gif

Why do you call the truth "religiously biased crap"?
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