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> I Seriously Think I Found The "design Theory", No kidding either!
Gary Gaulin
  Posted: Apr 10 2008, 01:57 AM


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I did write things like this before, but never had what looks like the entire mechanism in as few words as possible to describe the whole thing.

And notice how without one saying "evolution" it still explains it, but from the perspective of intelligence/consciousness.

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(maybe) Design Theory

Darwinian processes were never intended to explain everything, because some things happen as fast as the self-assembly of 6 sided snowflakes from a blizzarding storm cloud to the self-assembly of ATP synthase and flagellum.  They are designs that exist in the behavior of atoms that when brought together form these designs.  Can visualize them as always being there.  Are expressed when conditions are there for it to be.  In living things, that is determined by coded DNA templates that catalyze the production of proteins that from there self-assemble into possible designs. 

The genetic code is the long-term memory of a self-perpetuating metabolic cycle that goes one cycle per reproduction.  This mechanism allows one small step at a time building upon a previous design, as in evidence in the fossil record where never once was there not a design present for the new design to have come from.  Design does not have to become more complex or be more advantageous to survival because the organism itself is in part intelligently and consciously directing their change in design by what it finds desirable in the variety available to select as a mate.  Examples include the peacocks tail.  In humans the looks of "sex symbols" sometimes computer enhanced to represent the conscious ideals not yet common in our morphology.


I think this is the real thing. The "Design Theory". To be taught along side evolution.

I want to go for publishing in the journal Nature, since from what I know is the ultimate. Seriously think they would love it. Not be the first time I published this kind of thing before, but the real "Design Theory" is like WOW!

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Posted: Apr 10 2008, 02:08 AM


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This is the only part I have any real problems with...

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the organism itself is in part intelligently and consciously directing their change in design by what it finds desirable


Granted, I am not a scientist. I am but a lowly programmer/musician with an insatiable curiosity. But I, personally, do not see any evidence of anything consciously directing it's own "change"... at least not on the inheritable/genetic level.


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Gary Gaulin
  Posted: Apr 10 2008, 02:33 AM


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Evidence is in peacock tails. And in how choosy we are in mate selection. It's not random like we pick just anyone at random at a party or something to "pick up".

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/20...09_peacock.html

The theory predicts that male peacocks will get more spots/length while humans will go towards big-eye and long legs, whatever is enhanced to make artificially sexy since that is what the current ultimate goal is.

There only has to be that possible in the variety present in the population. Or in other words the DNA will go in that direction, which in our case and peacocks, it can.



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QUOTE (Gary Gaulin @ Apr 9 2008, 09:33 PM)
Evidence is in peacock tails. And in how choosy we are in mate selection. It's not random like we pick just anyone at random at a party or something to "pick up".

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/20...09_peacock.html

The theory predicts that male peacocks will get more spots/length while humans will go towards big-eye and long legs, whatever is enhanced to make artificially sexy since that is what the current ultimate goal is.

There only has to be that possible in the variety present in the population. Or in other words the DNA will go in that direction, which in our case and peacocks, it can.

Ah! But in that case, it's not the male choosing how he wants to look... it's the female selecting what she likes.


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Posted: Apr 10 2008, 02:38 AM


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Gaulin, your stupid theory is not original. It is no different to the theory that Lamark published over a century ago. Darwin proved him wrong then.


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Gary Gaulin
  Posted: Apr 10 2008, 03:02 AM


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According to this from Berkeley:

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Lamarck's scientific theories were largely ignored or attacked during his lifetime; Lamarck never won the acceptance and esteem of his colleagues Buffon and Cuvier, and he died in poverty and obscurity. Today, the name of Lamarck is associated merely with a discredited theory of heredity, the "inheritance of acquired traits." However, Charles Darwin, Lyell, Haeckel, and other early evolutionists acknowledged him as a great zoologist and as a forerunner of evolution.

http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/history/lamarck.html

You are at most saying is I am the forerunner of "Design Theory", the poor and obscurity part is right. biggrin.gif

A read through of it has me wondering how you can say it's the same. Even Darwin recognized a conscious driven component. It has elements of Lamarck as does Darwin's work, but inludes how "design" fits in to what we now know.

I could maybe include how the environment directs change but that's so common knowledge now, I thought it would be redundant to include. Want to make it as easy to fit into into one class period as possible. Two paragraphs, no problem!

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Posted: Apr 10 2008, 03:10 AM


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QUOTE (N O M @ Apr 9 2008, 09:38 PM)
Gaulin, your stupid theory is not original. It is no different to the theory that Lamark published over a century ago. Darwin proved him wrong then.

Not exactly Lamarkism as I understand it...

But it does show something we all know, but hate to admit... the females are really in control. Males will mate with anything, it's the female that decides who gets to spread their DNA around.


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stupid theory


Telos


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Gary Gaulin
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Telos!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telos_(philosophy)

Have to remember that one!

And an occasional male in the usually self-fertalizing C. Elegans that will successfully mate, suggests females do rule, like they didn't even need the males but was more fun I guess.

And here's more for anyone into how the worm works. Last time I checked they were close to figuring out the entire brain circuit.

http://www.wormatlas.org/

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females do rule,


Males are " deliberate mutations", they are "environment" directed but generally not required.

females are generally innate ROM directed and do not need 'knowledge' (as males envision that word to mean)

When the super-organism LIFE reaches the flowering stage, environment directed input is necessary to enact mechanisms for seed dispersal.

Then all fall down and rot!

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QUOTE (Zarkov @ Apr 10 2008, 03:56 AM)
females are generally innate ROM directed and do not need 'knowledge' (as males envision that word to mean)

So you're saying that females operate on instinct, not intelligence? I have the feeling some people might disagree with that.


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Posted: Apr 10 2008, 04:43 PM


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Gary,
Maybe I'm reading you wrong, but you sound more like an evolution proponent. A male peacock will pick the female most suitable to good procreation, not much different from a chameleon changing colors to avoid predators and grasshoppers eating poisonous food and showing bright colors to tell the predator "remember the last bright red and yellow grasshopper you ate, you had the runs for a week, think twice pally"
Correct me if I've misunderstood you.
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Posted: Apr 10 2008, 05:01 PM


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We may well have gotten to the point were our evolution could be driven more by social concerns than environmental. (in the 1st world)
So how long before we evolve past stupid and ugly? tongue.gif


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Gary Gaulin
  Posted: Apr 17 2008, 09:44 AM


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Hi Ron, everyone!

Check this out. I put everything on a blog! Very educational challenge now.

http://scientific-design-theory.blogspot.com/


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Posted: Apr 17 2008, 10:05 AM


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A sample from the last link...

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Which brings us to the question of: "What does the Creator look like?"
A scientific answer would be "The intelligence that made us."


Thanks for the 'challenge'! biggrin.gif


Oh, and this is just plain dangerous...
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This is not dressing up evolution to look like Creationism, it's Creationism that works with the scientific evidence that exists yet the theory itself never once mentions "evolution" because non-life to life is a whole other science, abiogenesis. And with science our our side I can bold Genesis in the word and get away with it. That's what scientists call it too. Should be in all state standards, to make sure we get schools up to date in this.






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