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DavidD
Posted: Dec 18 2007, 01:40 PM


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Atoms shooted between two magnets making quantized lines, becouse of diferent electron orbits. And flying toward one or another magnet side direction, becouse which magnet is little bit in closer toward this magnet probabilisticaly atoms flying and imposible very precisly emit atom between two magnets in the midle. In diferent level of electron becoming diferent compensation of orbital electron moments and thus becoming diferent quantized lines.
In magnetic field atom behaving diferent than without magnetic field and this couse not spin but becouse magnetic field atracting atom electrons orbital moments and thus aditional energy becoming and thus two times more lines becoming, becouse magnetic field trying align angular arbital moments of electrons, which flying around atoms nuclear.
Neutron spin echo isn't very important and can be misunderstooded.
NMR is misunderstooded and it's electrons orbital moments around nuclear.
If spin exist then they can be wrongly understanded by pauli matrices. For spin describe enough only one pauli matrix X matrix for spin fliping and Y and Z matrices don't exist. But possible that even X matrix don't exist and spin obey always probabilisticaly don't matter that you do to it. You always measure only 50% spin up and 50% spin down don't matter what operations you made for it.
If spin exist then it still don't doing any influence for live on Earth etc. If spin wouldn't exist orbital magnetic moment of electron would be instead spin and feromagnetism still posible without spin.
So all patricles including quarks don't doing influence, except proton, electron and neutron, and spin also don't doing influence don't matter exist it or not. For quantum computer and protein folding it's don't needed.

http://www.upscale.utoronto.ca/GeneralInte...ernGerlach.html

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Majkl
Posted: Dec 18 2007, 01:47 PM


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How do you conduct electricity DavidD? By non-rotation??

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Posted: Dec 18 2007, 01:57 PM


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Zeeman splittings? Exclusion principle? Electron orbitals?

The evidence for spin is overwhelming, but as usual David continues to talk about things he doesn't understand.


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QUOTE (Majkl @ Dec 18 2007, 01:47 PM)
How do you conduct electricity DavidD? By non-rotation??

This question even I can answer. Electricity is from electron charge and don't have any conjecture with spin biggrin.gif Electrons moving couse electricity.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/spin.html

I can explain Using the Spin Filter http://www.upscale.utoronto.ca/GeneralInte...ernGerlach.html experiment classicaly. Electron have two poles, N and S. Those two pole on electron is on oposit directions. So electron is like classical small magnet. Now imagine that there is two big magnets one from top - N and one from botom - S. Now electron is shoted at midle between those two big magnets. Electron is in random state. When electron flying between those magnets, its aligning to magnetic field of those magnets. And so in top electron pole is S and in botom is N. And if electron flying a little closer to top magnet then it flying toward top magnet and if electron was emtted a little bit closer to botom magent then electron flying to botom magnet, becouse imposible very precisly emit electron at midle between two magnets N and S. If you add obstacle to botom S magnet then 50% electrons go out at close to top magnet S. If you add another two magnets with same polarization then electron go out, becouse he flying near to botom magnet. If seconds two magnet will be rotated 180 degrees then it would be the same as put obstacle at second top magnet. And electron quickly will change orentation by aligning and electron will rotates 180 degrees, becouse for electron more easy to change polarization than to fly in oposit direction. So then electron will strike at top obstacle.
If you will rotate like in link two magnets 90 degrees then at all 25% electrons will pass, becouse it's don't matter that electron now is at top and so electron now must align to left or right side, where on left is N and on right is S with obstacle, so electron moving in midle and then 25% going to right and 25% going to left and are absorbed by obstacle. Now if you farther add third magnets rotated 180 degrees, then 12.5% electrons goes out becouse now symetry line is left and not up and down. So I explain how classicaly going on all process and don't need talking about quantization, becosue electron is very light and its very quickly aligning to needed/closer magnetic field.

By the way electron, when it flying generated magnetic field, becosue charge motion doing it and so don't need any spin, but just need think that electron is particle with charge and like each particle with charge it's generating magnetic field when it's moving and so electron generating magnetic field when flying between magnets, perpendicular to flying direction. Problem with that statement is that if you change magnets poles then electron must fly through center becouse from both sides electron will be pushed toward center.

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QUOTE (DavidD @ Dec 18 2007, 10:31 AM)
This question even I can answer.

ohmy.gif Is that your final answer?
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By the way electron, when it flying generated magnetic field, becosue charge motion doing it and so don't need any spin, but just need think that electron is particle with charge and like each particle with charge it's generating magnetic field when it's moving and so electron generating magnetic field when flying between magnets, perpendicular to flying direction. Problem with that statement is that if you change magnets poles then electron must fly through center becouse from both sides electron will be pushed toward center.


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You can say that quantum computer will be build after 20 years or 50 years or 100 years or you can probabilisticaly with 99% precision to say now, that quantum computer is nonsense. So if quantum computer will never be build. Then need think alternative explanations of protein folding and quantum mechanics. For example alternative explanation of protein folding can be that protein folding is probabilisticaly encoded in gene and those genes have milions diferent populations and trilions of individs and so 10^30 means 10^20 probabilistic genes and there is bilions years for proteins and so 10^10 trys. And if nobody good sow proteins how they folding and in that state minimum or not very minimum energy state they folds, then possible that proteins folding is up to chemical reactions only without any quantum mechanics.
With pauli matrices also can be somthing wrong and at last if quantum mechainc is so noisy that don't letting build quantum computer then if even those exponentional power exist or like feimans saying very hard to simulate quantum mechanic, but then still this all quantum mechanic very noisy and nothing can be created from such nobody needed noisy power laugh.gif But I thing that pauli matrices are wrong and spin is just probabilistic dice and not more and don't have any reversible phase which can be good for quantum computer or protein folding. Phase it have only if moving like in double slit experiment interference. So need motion for each qubit so probably need all 1000 electrons pass through double slit and then made in such way them entangled in superposition laugh.gif

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QUOTE (DavidD @ Dec 18 2007, 06:32 PM)
You can say that quantum computer will be build after 20 years or 50 years or 100 years or you can probabilisticaly with 99% precision to say now, that quantum computer is nonsense. So if quantum computer will never be build.

You have repeatedly been shown evidence that quantum computers are not only possible but that very simple ones have been created. Your continued denial of this and your complete lack of understanding when it comes to superposition, quantum probabilities, wave functions and the Pauli matrices (all of which you like to talk a lot about) demonstrates that you aren't interested in physics, you just want to voice your moronic thoughts.


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It's you dening reality. Simple ones wasn't created. ?You can call it quantum computers, but they aren't real quantum computers, but noisy-equal by speed to deterministic computers, so how you dare those bullshits call quantum computers?

BTW I personaly don't very trust quantum algorighms, becouse when I try to understood them I only understood that need exponentionaly recources to talk to quantum computers in they algorithm language...

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