a hydrogen video, hydrogen

There is a man in Canada who has been running engines on hydrogen . A video of this can be seen at www.spiritofmaat.com/archive/watercar/h2ocar/htm .

This video was taken a few years ago.This system is unique because the process
used by the inventor actually produces hydrogen using non toxic alloys and the hydrogen can be produced at very low cost.

You can see with your own two eyes .....this has been demonstrated to many people
including scientists etc....it is real. The project and appearance of the engine has greatly improved in the last 2 years . check it out.

The link you gave didn't work. This is probably the correct URL: http://www.spiritofmaat.com/archive/watercar/h20car2.htm

Why is a normal petrolium/deisel based engine running on hydrogen?

I thought hydrogen based technology was different.

Technically if you can run a normal engine off hydrogen then whys it taking so damn long to build hydrogen technology?


Sorry but that video looked EXTREMELY amatuer yet the results they got were BRILLIANT

...So why cant genius scientists get further?

Its about sticking a reactive metal into water to break an O-H-H bond into water...........thats basic science....

I think this is an opposite way of using hydrogen given that today scientists look at converting the hydrogen into water for a non pollutant fuel

problem is is that the hydrogen is reacting with the earths oxygen meaning yet more lack of oxygen, and more water when you think about it-unless they get the hydrogen from the water


now THATS a good fuel

Water being broken down into hydrogen the engine using the hydrogen and re assembling it into water to then go BACK into the fuel tank to be reused

Of course this would mean no one would need to top up fuel for ages-so this technology will never exist because it means less money

just realised my last post

that technology WILL become in use actually

as water costs nothing....
but i guarantee if that technology DID come about-water rates would go up for sure lol

Oh yes the scientists must all be stupid... the oldest process in the world and no one thought about using it... hell must they be stupid... or might there be a reson why not?

"Hydrogen: This fuel is complete in itself. It does not need oxygen from the atmosphere to burn, which is an improvement over fossil fuels in saving the oxygen in our air supply."

Hydrogen doesn't need oxygen to burn? If I recall correctly, the definition of "burn" itself requires the presence of oxygen. Ever remember what the firemen all taught us in grade school? "Fire is like a three-legged stool - the legs are fuel, oxygen, and a spark - without all three legs, the stool cannot stand and the fire will not start."

What makes hydrogen so dangerous to handle is that if put in contact with oxygen, it will rapidly burn and generate water.

2H2 + O2 --> 2H2O

Hydrogen cannot burn without oxygen.

Hydrogen fuel cells operate on a different principle, by splitting hydrogen into a proton and electron via a membrane. The electron, in a wire, gives electrical power to the car or device, and meets the proton at the other side of the membrane. Oxygen is used up in the process only so that the car doesn't end up spewing pure hydrogen into the air. Instead, the oxygen is combined with the hydrogen to create water, slowly, and the water is released into the air with no pollutants.

"In fact, when hydrogen burns perfectly, nothing at all comes out of the tail pipe."

Huh? Someone needs to teach these people the Conservation of Mass and Energy law. You can't put in something and get nothing out. There's no way to completely convert hydrogen into energy unless you have a positron and an antiproton to make a matter-antimatter reaction, which would only produce light. Something will always have to come out of the tailpipe.

"The environment is experiencing tremendous problems at the moment, and one of the most serious of these is that we are losing our oxygen. The oxygen content of the air is becoming so low that it threatens our very existence in some areas. The normal oxygen content of our air is 21 percent. But in some places it is only a fraction of that! In Tokyo, Japan, for example, the oxygen content of the air has dipped to 6 or 7 percent. If it reaches 5 percent, people will begin to die. Tokyo has even put oxygen disbursement centers on its street corners, so that people can get emergency oxygen if they need it."

What? A google search showed no such oxygen distribution centers in Tokyo. The problem in the world isn't that we're running out of oxygen, but that too many pollutants, like carbon dioxide and other industrial products, have gone into the air. This makes the percent of oxygen in the air drop, but not the total amount - it just spreads out to other places, pushed away by the pollutants.

Remember, at STP (Standard Temperature and Pressure) 1 mol of any gas fills up 22.4L. That's a direct measurement of how many molecules are in the air - 1 mol. If you add more molecules, in order to keep the gas at STP, you have to expand the volume. The same thing happens with the air near industrial plants - the lower concentration of oxygen is due to it being driven away by the pollutants, not because the oxygen is missing.

I'm sorry, but most of this page seems to be a fraud. It even references Brown's gas, which has been very disputed in that many people claim that its miracle properties, touted by Brown himself, are a fraud and that those miracle properties do not exist.

That would be nice, but remember that it takes energy to break water into hydrogen and oxygen. Electrolysis requires electricity, hence the name. So, it's like putting the energy in when you electrolyze water, and taking the energy out when you run it through a fuel cell. If the energy you're putting in is about the same as you're getting out, there's no energy gained for moving a car.

I never said hydrogen needs oxygen to burn

But hydrogen testing shows it gives off water-H2O

Meaning oxygen must bind to the hydrogen

This site has a lot of physics info but ive noticed a serious lack in chemistry skills, chemistry and physics tie in very closely with each other

Blame it on Canada! roflmao
Best scam I have seen in ages.
Thanks for the laugh.

If it were easy to extract hydrogen from water...never mind.

All the quotes in quotation marks were from the site, only the last one in which I used quote tags was from you.

If only pulling a scam like this weren't so easy, since the public is too ignorant and too hopeful to find miraculous breaks in science

Is there an arguement going on here, i cant tell?

The is quite a simple thing like, use energy to split the Hydrogen and Oxygen, then the same energy is released when they react again to form water.
Perhaps on the site where is says hydrogen is a fuel all on its own, thats a typo. If there inteligent enough to know about electrolisis, they must know a simple thing like that.

It wouldn't harm the enviroment. (not that im conserned with the enviroment myself). Your just breaking up water, then putting it back together. The energy for that could be from wind power or whatever. As for putting water rates up, does it not rain where you live? Hmm, salt rates then! Use urine, youd have a piss-powered car!

And theres no problem with petrol engines running on fuels other than petrol. I had my lawnmower engine running on butane. It was even easier to start as well. Ofcouse gas was leaking out everywhere, but i only did it for the crack.

did that answer anything? i donno

looks like magnesium/sodium in those cans, which would indeed give off hydrogen. however you need to source the metal.

The problem is that the energy required to extract the hydrogen from water is equal to the energy to run the engine.

I am just trying to open up a dialog here about this technology.The people who have been rude about it and saying it is a scam also don't seem to have the technical knowledge to really even have an opinion so they should shut up. This technology is past the stage of ridicule and is compleatly self edvident . If you monkeys get it or not I
don't care.

A bit of info on the video being amature etc....This is so funny. It was shot for a tv show called Rolling Art tv. It was supposed to air on LA tv on a show that starred Ted Danson and this technology was featured next to Fords'hydrogen tech. It never made it to air . Anyhow, the problem with the video is that the backdrop is not what is normally expected and also the appearance of the prototype(s) were not great.( wear and tear from constant demonstrations)

To hold the inventor responsable for everything said in a journalistic article is unfair.
The inventor did not write the article and yes there are a few errors in the article.
So what ,does the invention work or not lets get to the crux.

Thank you to professor Andy for your rebuttal ...

Captain Obvious reporting for duty again.

Guys (girls), we seem to forget that somehow we need to store this stuff. It cannot leak, it cannot rot, and it has to survive a head-on, and a rear-on.

We also need to store this stuff in bulk. The storage and dispensing needs to be made retard-proof.

We also need to develop cost effective means of extinguishing this crap when it burns. Sorry, cars catch fire. Whatever that solution is, it'll need to somehow fit on my engines and trucks, and the application needs to function from a distance. It also needs to suppress reignition.

We also need to develop training for the million+ firefighters who'll be dealing with this crap, and train them.

Making an engine run on this stuff is not the issue. Things go wrong, in the worst way possible - screw it up, and you just wiped out 20 guys. You need to mitigate these failures before they occur, not after.

I don't see you mentioning science at all, but who am I, who can use a few, simple facts about chemistry and physics, to refute a scammer?