Where Did Matter And Energy Come From?, A Ground and Excited State Theory

Where did all matter and energy come from?
For the last seven days i set myself a challenge > This challenge was to come up with a perfectly valid reason to how the universe spat energy and matter out. It wasn't enough for me to say the the universe had a zero-point where everything came from, because then the question begged ''Where did the zero-point source come from?''
I've been racking my brain over this question, sometimes not even getting to sleep till late... And my conclusion has now bothered me, because my contention is leaning towards the most dreaded theory i could ever consider...; only till now i am starting to reconsider parallel universe theory all over again.
I have found that it is very plausible that all energy contained in this universe could have came from another universe - it could also account for this non-zero energy that is left over and cannot be renormalized. At least if the energy came from another universe, we need not concern ourselves with how that parallel universe got the energy in the first place.
Thus here are my assumptions... According to the Copenhagen Interpretation, our universe will quantum leap in the far future...
What is a quantum leap?
Some of us will know it as a jitterbugging particle that moves from one place to another without going in-between - a discontinuous change from one state into a new state - others, as that 'cornie' 1980's show. If we are indeed to take Hawkings seriously by viewing the universe as an atom, does that mean the universe will quantum leap in the future? Coming back to this question, two main things can happen, depending on what kind of energy state our universe is in. There are two known states called 'Ground State,' and 'Excited State.'
A ground state atom arranges its inhabitants; the electron, the proton and the neutron ect., to a certain frequency, so that they can have the smallest energy possible. If our universe isn't in a ground state, it could have come from a singularity in space, a bit like the kind found inside of black holes... However, i would like to add, that Hawkings is not so sure any more if singularities really exist. Thus, if our universe is in a ground state, it wouldn't have come from a singular region. Instead, it will have had at its center an opening in the fabric of space and time; this is a worm hole, threaded with a substance called 'exotic matter' - we will see more on this in chapter four. This wormhole might loop in on our own universe, and anything that can travel through it, might turn up in a different region of space, at a totally different time of history - theoretically, i could jump into the wormhole a few minutes after big bang, and end up coming out of the wormhole, 40-odd billion years later when the universe decides to contract. Or, if theory is correct as we have seen, it might link this universe up with other universes.
A ground state atom will not spill out energy - this means that it is a very stable particle. If our universe is in its ground state, it will not be able to quantum leap in the future. If the atom is in an excited state, then it will eventually spill out its energy and will inexorably quantum leap. If it was a universe i am speaking about here, it will spill out its energy, quite possibly into a branch that is in its ground state, and will quantum leap.
Stephen Hawkings believes our universe is in a ground state.
And what if parallel universe theory indicates a new presence - a divine presence?
I've heard some arguments put forth that parallel universes predicts the existence of a God... for sure. They say, that because there are an infinite amount of universes, there must be a God, and because God is omnipresent, he/she would exist in every universe. Well, i can't argue with that statement, and I’m not sure many can. An infinite amount of universes must indicate an infinite of amount of 'states' a universe can be in; these states are the statistical differences found in each universe. Some universes will have a small quantum mistake different to ours, others will be much more weird and maybe even mind boggling. Thus it might just be a case of searching enough universes until one holds fit for the temple of an omnipotent being.
Neo

(By the way... If anybody is wondering why i make a ghostly mention of a chapter 4, its because to save myself from writing the whole concept of ground and excited states i simply took a refernce from my book)...

To give your story some additional visualy stimulated exotics.
The being you talk about is here:
http://www.superliminal.com/fractals/bbrot...htm--Mandelbrot fractal-Buddhabrot
And how is it connected with everything and what are all those other universes? An example is here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EHb9Eh6tM4...related&search=
You can see it at the begining and the end. Its in the center of everything

This post has been edited by Majkl on Sep 9 2007, 05:09 PM

matter has always been here friction of matter is energy that is given off

NeoNo.1 if our universe does not indicate to you a divine presence, then nothing will indicate the need of a divine being.

If you go through the logic of trying to show that something could come into existence within a condition of time, you will arrive at the conclusion that has been derived many times throughout the ages. It can not. Save yourself some time and look it up on the Internet.

The only answer that is possible is that for anything to come into existence in a condition of time must come from outside of time. If you are not able to conceive or perceive of an existence without time then give up the pursuit.

There exists an absolute framework of infinite dimensions. The universe was created in that framework. It took nothing more then a distortion of the framework to create the universe. This creation was similar to the stroking of a string. Unlike the string, the resulting wave functions were not limited to the spatial dimension.

Consider that it is unlikely that the universe is just a pulse. Just as we see in nature and when we strike a string, the result is a series of waves. The universe may be just one half cycle of a wave function with the rest of the wave functions just microseconds behind us.

To move in time we would just go from one universe to another. It is interesting to note that we can not even move a fraction of a second into the past or the future. There is nothing within the universe that allows time action and reaction.

Considering the Big Bang this makes more sense then parallel universe without any indication of the source of such a universe. A series of universes from the point of the Big Bang is able to produces an unlimited number of universes that can not interfere with each other.

The beauty of this concept alone points to the mind of God.

Matter is dark energy trying to reach its natural state of zero-time.

pnelson419 would you care to tell me how old you are and where you have gotten your ideas?

Are you interested in learning science?

My ideas come from my head. My model of the Universe came as a picture in my head after what I felt was an understanding of some basic principles of Time and Gravity.

If you are asking if I am interested in learning science so I can see that I am wrong, the answer is No.

But the more I do learn only confirms my ideas, so the answer is yes.

But not really

I just like using this forum at this time as an outlet for these ideas but I dont expect this to be a long term interest.

From what I read I feel I am in the right place.

Nice to know your not biast

pnelson419

Sorry to say you may be right. I feel that you are very young and still have the ability to learn but I may be wrong.

Neo1 A question arises as too the big bang, that will keep you up for another week.

That is this, out of darkness came light.

I am referring too dark matter, the mass in the universe that is needed too have created the big bang.

If dark matter is the highest degree of entropy, and as the last particle of matter is converted to dark matter, mass would then be sufficient to create the big bang>

This post has been edited by freethis on Sep 10 2007, 01:45 AM

My guess is you think I am young because I may not understand the workings of the universe the same way that you do and feel I am in need of much education to reach an equal level as yourself. If you see a flaw in one of my ideas point it out to me and maybe I can give you my reason for that statement. Making presumptions will not promote learning for either of us.

pnelson419

The reason for my question is to find out if we can communicate on these subjects. There is nothing wrong with having and holding viewpoints but if everything is based on opinion without a regard for the facts, there is no area of discussion.

If we take your statement

for consideration.

Your statement makes no sense unless you define your view of matter, dark energy, and zero-time.

By matter do you mean mass objects and if you do what attributes does your view of matter have.
The same is true for dark energy and zero-time.

Matter is a well-defined term and understood by most people of science but there is no understood relationship between matter and dark energy or zero-time.

Dark energy at this time is without definition and is only a name given to an observation but no physical relationship has been demonstrated.

The only understanding of absolute zero-time is the start of the Big Bang.

Your ideas may be correct and of great value but without communication of understood terms they will never be recognized.

The problem of communication is common to all of us and is most difficult with ideas that we have accepted in our minds based on a multitude of facts. We feel that the idea is so crystal clear but we must remember that others do not have all the facts that are in our minds.

It is also important to reduce ideas down to simple understood and accepted words; this is especially true for new ideas.

Just because I understand the problem does not mean that I am not subject to this fault. Most of the time when I go back at a later date and read what I have written, I find that I have more of the problem than most others.

The problem could be called “assumption of details”.

Ideas without a basis in some accepted fact are fantasy. Fantasy has no reality and has nothing to do with science. Connections to reality is most important.

Right, before i continue with some more idea's, i'll answer freethis' question first concerning dark energy...
For me, dark energy was a self-created mechanism, provided by the giddy sheets of space and time so that it would collapse on its own gravitational pull too early... But this of course is only buying the universe so much time.
The accelerated expansion means that the universe is still dying... even if we are living in an open universe, we will still find energy becoming negligable over long distances, and signaling between the fundamental forces will cease; you all know what that would indicate... A Big Rip!
Indeed, if all matter came from another universe, we need not reallyt concern ourselves where that univese got its energy from, but rather how this energy got here... Why concer ourselves with the doings of another universe? Afterall, according to Stephen Hawkings graphs, the wave function of this universe peaks well above any other brother-sister universe, and that makes this universe the most real and true universe ''out there''.

But nothing miraculas can come out of my design though. If our universe is in a ground state, and we did receive our energy from another universe, then there are accordingto infinite theory, an infinite amount of ground state universes similar to our own that also received their energy from other universes. So nothing special there then.
I suppose the observer doesn't make this universe any more special, because there an infinite amount of universes that will also contain humans, and even other types of observing lifeforms capable of collapsing the wave function... It does however answer the ''why us'' problem though.
NeoNo.1

I will make a few out of this world statements and i beleive this has been rarely menitoned before or actually never was in such a way connected. There simply wasnt enough self-awareness or researchers of deep nature. WHat is reality? It is a mind that moves with light speed through infinity. It gets even more complicated-it is a mind that moves through its own imagination-like self propeling existance-one thing leads to another and so on.
But to keep it "simple" it moves through infinite universes which are most simply modeled by fractals. The movement itself is most simply modeled by chaos. If one checks Mandelbrot zoom-in one can clearly see that you as a mind are always in the center. But this might get more complex- you are connected with yourself as strange as it sounds through all infinity and your movement constitutes time. So what is Big bang actually from this perspective? Its begining of movement. Any kind of smallest move constitutes time. It is as simple as it is complex. We are a kind of going into "depths" and we are much like billions of eyes of one mind and at the same time subjective view gives each of everything a unique perspective. You can go into any direction as far as your imagination can go. As far as you allow yourself to go or as far is it is "integrity-ively allowed to go". Thought it seems the whole mind moves together. So basically what does it mean to " to catch the light" or "ride the beam" it means that you stop moving. A mind comes to "resting"or "mediating point" imagining or even calculating with infinite speed changing everything around it. The language of imagination is kind of "living" mathematics. Time is change or movement of the self. WHich is everywhere as a central point and at the begining and the end.Its as "simple" as that .
The following has been said many times before. Everything are different facets of the same thing and this goes on all levels. The whole is eternal and infinite. All of the animal kingdom is very special.

This post has been edited by Majkl on Sep 10 2007, 07:04 AM