Plasma

They say 95% of the universe is plasma. Where are the electrons if they are not in their shells?

If they are floating around along with nuclei they ought to interact. Why don't they free electrons get atracted by the nuclei.

That begs the question what keeps electrons in absolute shells anyway and how do we define thge shell as something physical. I don't mean its shape but what it really is. I think that shells have to surround the proton.

Mitch Raemsch -- Light fell --

constant friction is what you see when light hit an atom that is touching another atom or light refracting off of the point they are colliding Light is only seen at the point of colliding atoms

think about this a lightning bolt travels in both direction so fast that we can not see it.
What if light from the sun does the same thing as a lightning bolt.

we could be living in a lighting bolt

Does the second part of a lightning bolt travel faster that the first part?

There are some nice points in this discussion, however a little effort to factualize the points which can be substantiate could really make it wizardly! Which is to say avoiding pulling people into wrong headed directions.

Are the orbits of planets physical objects?

The standard explanation is that the spin of the originating heaviest object pulls everything else into a disc around it's equator.

Do planets jump from one orbital to another without passing through the intervening space?
I doubt it.
So what is different about these orbits?

For your question "What are the shells", here is some wild speculation for you.
How about the shells are where a wave function of the nucleus intersects another dimensional plane across the center of the wave form.

The electron exists orbiting in two dimensions, visible only in one at a time, weaving in and out of the waves and existence in both dimensions. Now we would know something about the other dimension, it has orbitals equivalent to the spaces between our orbitals.

You might also play with the idea it is not a dimensional barrier but a substance, like the ripples on the surface of water. The orbital wave could be on the meniscus of the Zero Point Energy.

From Wikipedia:
In physics and chemistry, a plasma is typically an ionized gas. Plasma is considered to be a distinct state of matter, apart from gases, because of its unique properties. "Ionized" refers to presence of one or more free electrons, which is not bound to an atom or molecule. The free electric charges make the plasma electrically conductive so that it responds strongly to electromagnetic fields.

Plasma typically takes the form of neutral gas-like clouds (e.g. stars) or charged ion beams, but may also include dust and grains (called dusty plasmas).[1] They are typically formed by heating and ionizing a gas, stripping electrons away from atoms, thereby enabling the positive and negative charges to move more freely.



This post has been edited by Joe Heeney on Aug 15 2007, 03:50 AM

We are talking about little hard things called atoms Hoony.

Pull up yer zipper!
Yer atoms are hanging out.

Look at your tin yang.

This is just a guess as to why the electrons don't simply rejoin, but plasmas are highly energetic, that is why the electrons got stripped away in the first place.

So I would have to speculate that the energy source remains sufficient to maintain the state, or the energy cannot disperse sufficiently to drop the entropy level.

Is there some reason that both these basic causes are not plausable by your reasoning?

First of all plasma is supposed to be free electrons and loose nuclei. What is going to stop them from colliding. Isn't that thermodynamics? How do the nuclei maintain a distance of attraction?

After all nuclei are attracted to electrons. So where are the electrons if they are not in shells? Are they married to the nuclei?

MItch Raemsch -- LIght LOve --

Nada! Stops them colliding, joining, and seperating again.

But we are talking about a dynamic statistical system.

Maintain the entropy required to achieve the state and you will maintain the state.


And you avoided my questions!


But I love ya anyway!

This post has been edited by Joe Heeney on Aug 15 2007, 05:16 AM

Nothing stops electrons from colliding with free nuclei?

Something is wrong here.

electrons are just how friction is shown or how we see it.
the part of the wave we can see

This post has been edited by landon on Aug 15 2007, 10:46 AM

Electrons rarely collide with nuclei anyway.
Surely you understand that being in a shell / orbital is just a representation of where the electron is usually observed?

For plasma, the electrons have new wave function which basically says were the electron will be based on the attraction and energy levels.

Since the electrons have high energy, their wave function/ orbital will be a very loose shape that will swirl around the positives, never colliding.

The reason electrons never collide with nuclei is that protons and electrons attract at moderate distances, but repel at close distances. The quark level forces begin to overpower the attraction when electrons get too close.

Welll if they are in shells what is a shell physically?
It is a spatial property.

No. Your wrong.

i have my sources.