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http://www.physorg.com/news104156028.html

Amazing how this image takes the form of cubic structures aligned with an axis through two opposite corners as I said many times

Hi ARtone,

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I must say that has been a theme of yours all through the years on this forum. Certainly in a conduction band this 'looks" a bit like a cubic packing structure. I looked at that picture and I saw a "woven quilt" and my suggestion is that the matter "phase" has changed on either side of the electron to give that woven appearance. This means that pairs of electrons are mutually attracted in pairs (or in cubic structures) to create numerically "even quantum numbers" and thus pairs of electrons now behave more like a boson state, The visible negative phase on one side is matched with the visible positive phase of the neighboring electron. Suggesting a toroidal structure. In fact it appears that all the electrons are lining up in some three dimensional way in that very low energy band. I still think we are seeing a twisted toroidal structure for individual electrons as noted in Williamson's and also in Hu's Paper...

... which leads to this "energy flow"...

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These illustrations are from the second reference below (Williamson and Van der Mark)...
For more about the Hubius Helix and these ideas look again in these references..
"The Nature of the Electron" by Qiu-Hong Hu
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"Is the electron a photon with toroidal topology?":J.G. Williamson and M.B. van der Mark
These are lower dimensional equivalents of these structures which I think are found in "particles", in particular the electron. you see that you can model the internal structure of the electron with "an electromagnetic vortex" and these vortices can result in a nett topological charge when you consider a simple photon whose state is neither positive or negative in charge but an oscillatory waveform. These vortices in their 'incomplete" form are described in literature under the subject of twisted light and some of the works of Dr. Taco Visser of Rochester U. These are constructed using 'Instantons" which can potentially stabilize these structures against collapse. I have discussed these before. Because the "charge" of the electron is only due to surface standing waves as shown in the first picture of the twisted strip, electrically at close range there is probably no "real" repulsion from what would otherwise have been "permanent" mutual electric charges (which should "always" repel). What may be occurring is the particle is able to "tunnel" mutually into the oppositely charged core of each electron by way of it's de Broglie wave to effectively neutralize the effect of mutual repulsion.

The other issue is the way electrons need to rotate through 720 degrees in order to return the de Broglie Matter Wave phase of the matter wave to the original state. This is 'counterintuitive" but can be illustrated simply by the way Balinese Candle Dancers need to turn the candle through 720 degrees to remove the twist in theirs arms. This can also be shown by a simple ping pong ball attached by threads to the "distant universe" or even to a table with sticky tape. Rotate the ball once and it has a tangle that you cannot remove but rotate it twice you can pass this loop over the ball and completely "untangle the ball" from it's own "background" Universe connection... Mach's Principle (with a twist). This is also called Dirac's Party Trick or the Filipino Wine Dance. So this effect is as real as anything we can see in real life and the principle has been employed in completely enclosed jointless dialysis or blood pumps. This is also related to the 1/2 integer spin of all fermions which electrons and other matter particles possess.

http://newton.umsl.edu/philf//candles.html

Cheers

This post has been edited by Good Elf on Jul 23 2007, 02:27 AM

Hi Elf

Good to hear from you.

If this image was what we would currently describe as photographic quality I would agree with your perception of it. Even here though, it can be seen that the individual structures have a curious overlapping structure which is the only way cubes so aligned could be brought together so closely. In much of low temperature research a common phrase is found to be used " Like a spiral staircase of overlapping blocks" This was mentioned in early work and current work described in PhysicsWeb (supersolids). In the image we see a one dimensional image of this overlapping block structure.


I have said many times that nature can NOT be as complex as you perceive it. There has to be a simple underlying structure. Ask yourself "If I (you) wanted to create a basic structure would I really make it that complex"? As complex as many buildings are the underlying component is usually very simple such as a brick or a block.

regards AR

Not to sound ignorant or anything, but coming from the most simplistic angle possible (common sense) doesn't it make sense that all matter generally overlaps? Possibly by degrees of scale we don't quite have the capability to grasp?

We know that atoms overlap and share electrons when bonded with other atoms...why can't that work on a larger scale?

There are obviously forces at work that we cannot yet see, but if two atoms can share electrons so easily on such a small scale why can't something larger (possibly black holes, or dark matter or some other random object) be able to force electrons to move through simple barriers to continue on thier paths? Maybe free electrons aren't really as free as we would like to think?

Or maybe I'm overthinking this myself...think of this. An electron moves in a wave. Why doesn't it move in a straight line? From the opposite perspective, why does a fish or a shark swim in a wave motion, flicking it's tail back and forth, side to side. Why can't it move in a straight line? Because it has to move somehow! It uses it's fins to move through the only thing that gives it traction. Water.

So does that mean that there's an infinite grid of quantum particles that electrons "fish swim" thier way through? Sure, we can direct electrons to move in a direction we desire, but in order for electrons to continue moving, maybe the wave is HOW they move, not just a side effect of thier motion.

Or maybe I'm just a ***** who doesn't know anything about physics

Brian
b-rok@hotmail.com

I agree that there is a good probability that all energy may overlap, however, if we are to believe this image is a good representation of reality it is clear that the overlapping shown is such that would be required for cube shaped particles to combine in the minimum space possible.

AR

I agree.... there is a simple structure.
jal

Why would anyone who has read my posting would think that I would not support a structure.