Physical Time And Clock Time

NOT ONLY IS PHYSICAL TIME THE SAME AS CLOCK TIME IT CAN BE SAID THAT IN ORDER TO MEASURE SOMETHING THE MEASURING DEVICE MUST HAVE THAT PROPERTY. IN OTHER WORDS JUST AS A METER ROD HAS THE PROPERTY OF SPATIAL EXTENSION A CLOCK HAS THE PROPERTY OF TIME.

STEPHEN HAWKING SAID YOU CAN THINK OF IT IN TWO WAYS: EITHER THE CLOCK IS IN TIME OR TIME IS IN THE CLOCK.

I SAY TIME IS IN THE CLOCK. YOU CAN'T DIVORCE TIME FROM THE CLOCK. THE CLOCK THEREFORE IS TIME. AND THIS APPLIES TO THE CLOCK OF ALL MATTER.

MITCH RAEMSCH -- LIGHT FELL --

This post has been edited by Nick on Jun 11 2007, 07:27 AM

Time can appear to move at different speeds to a clock like when physical processes are slowed down on an atomic scale as in working under heavier gravity or when crushed against the light barrier as in travelling very fast.

I am quite fed up seeing people go on and on about time dilation, as if it's fact.

It is not a fact

does this mean that time is nothing more than the way in which the periodic motion that a clock is designed to perform, is applied to the experience of the observer using the clock as a measuring device ?

what then, constitutes a "fact", if not verifiying a theory through the repeated use of validated experiments ?

ITS A FACT BRY.

MITCH RAEMSCH -- LIGHT FELL --

i do not think Bryn is oblivious to the experiments conducted that provide evidence that time dilation occurs. it appears that the issue here is the definition of fact. simply stating "its a fact" will not resolve the issue. let us see what Bryan considers to constitute a fact first. i expect it will be here that the real problem is addressed.

This post has been edited by kjw on Jun 12 2007, 10:31 PM

It's not a fact in the same way F = (G*M*m)/r^2 is not a fact.

Which is to say, it is a fact, unless you are some psycho goob living in your own fantasy world.

Surely you have researched the 'light clock' which demonstrates the principles
involved in time dilation, in a non technical, non abstract way.
Then there's the 'muon lifetime' experiments (facts) which are real occurrences of the effect.

Time dilation is observed, but it is not easy to explain with existing theory in a way that is easy to see. If you look at relativistic mass increase, this is easy to visualize, since one has mass plus kinetic energy, and E=MC2. So the original mass plus kinetic energy (E=MC2) equals the total mass. Very easy.

If you treat time as a potential or thing like mass, instead of just a reference variable, then time dilation is as easy as relativistic mass. If one treats time as a potential, SR simple adds more time potential, just like it add more mass potential. The extra time potential makes it exists longer in time, just like the extra mass potential makes it have more mass.

Look at a photon of energy. We observe it having wavelength and frequency, which are measures of distance and time. The time aspect called frequency cycles essentially forever with the photon It takes time potential for that clock to keep ticking in time. If the phtoon was to be absorbed by matter, the time potential of the photon is transfered to matter causing an expression in time.

Physics prefers elaborate mathematical abstractions that never seen to be able to explain the whys of time dilation. It is not time dilation that is screwy but the theory used to explain it. I don't mean to be mean but the dogma doesn't bark right.

Let me approach time potential from a different angle. Is there any law of physics (not assumption or tradition) that says that time can not be a potential?

If you assume time is a potential, just like mass is a potential (E=MC2) and distance is a potential, which induces changes in distances, then one can model any phenomena in terms of these three potential uses in various combinations. For example, particle accelerator partilces contains very little time potential, which is why it doesn't last that long. The proton has a lot of time potential allowing it to lasts for billions of years.

When mass or mass potential converts to energy (E=MC2) mass potential is converted to time and distance potential (energy). This time and distance potential (energy) can then cause other mass in the area to move in distance and time via velocity. If it is relativsitic velocity, the mass potential will also increase. It is really easy ang gets the job done.