Force Fields, The Nature Of Energy Fields

Hi Soultechs,

Intriguing question! I believe that the interpretation that the electron is a "wave" is the only interpretation that has any validity. It cannot be a "charged particle" simply spinning around a nucleus bound only by "charge". I have been belaboring a point elsewhere that all hat really exists are bosons and fermions but even fermions like electrons are not what they seem since even numbers of them have very special boson properties contrary to "common sense". For most of all time the electron is totally "unobserved" and this is also a problem since observations in quantum mechanics holds such a prominent place in the Copenhagen Interpretation of quantum phenomena. I believe that there is excellent reason to think that the true state of everything is not "matter" but that of waves. It is just so culturally unacceptable to say otherwise.

A great simplification can be had (provided I am not forced to completely explain everything) if we say that all phenomena are electromagnetic in origin. That "gravity" and "mass" are also electromagnetic phenomena as seen from frames of reference a step away from the primal waves of light spreading in free flat space. This step away sees these "particles" (electrons) as impenetrable light cone walls separating our Universe of near global "flatness" from a highly curved spatial environment of the fermion particle. Think of all sub-atomic fermionic particles as propagating bosons trapped on the "inside" of a very small "bubble" floating within our empty bosonic "flatspace". If our space and time is considered as a largely "flat" three spatial dimensions and time a temporal dimension, then this "shiny mirror bubble" as a tiny cavity in our spatial dimensional flatspace appears to be a "particle".... A fermion... Primarily caused by the separate frame of accelerated reference of the bubble space of "particles". Because these "shiny impenetrable walls" represent something executing movement at the speed of light and actually is light itself traveling at the speed of light as an unobserved photon. That photon is inside that bubble is a dimensionally reciprocal space and a reciprocal time (frequency). What I am saying here is there is nowhere in our Universe that you can go where there are any real matter particles and what we have called matter is this "surface" which stands between universes just like the that shiny shimmering surface in the Stargate Television Series stands between our flatspace and other flatspaces via a curved connection .... in our case an electromagnetic wormhole. To pass through this wormhole is a quantum leap by tunneling exactly like photons and electrons control "states" within an atom which represent "shells". So the statement above is "true" in that electrons are something wrapping themselves around the nucleus in atoms as "unobserved waves". Like an ever spreading wave confined on the inside of a space that includes other spaces such as the space of the nucleus. But do not stop there folks... it is much much more than this. Here is a simulation of an electron confined within a "shell"... read "Anti-deSitter Space"...

Of course this simulation is an S1 shell and all electron processes are reduced to a phasor represented by color. A "real" electron would be at least three dimensional and "fill a reciprocal shell". Check out the way the phase velocity of the internal wave components of the electrons "circulate".

Humans (apes) evolved to see our Universe in a particular way... a particle way. It is almost burned in our brains by millions of years of evolution. This has been a very successful view of the Universe but it is wrong. It knows nothing of the nature of quanta. Traditionally it has been pigeonholed in a "too hard" basket by most scientists. Quantum Phenomena has been given a "dual nature" of a particle and a wave . From some authorities it seems as if these two entities are schizophrenically linked at the same time. Like all schizophrenia... It leads to madness. I could dissect this concept but I have said this all before and I do not want to repeat it too often... On the inside of that dimensional "bubble" phenomena "like us" would experience a flatspace in just the same way as we experience our flatspace. This is like two sides of a fairground trick mirror. The reflection and its source are conformally and topologically related to each other. This "transformation" is known in the Literature as the Anti-deSitter Conformal Field Theory.... AdS/CFT. The additional essential ingredient that "Good Elf" brings to it is the knowledge that these represent two separate "reciprocal environments"... From our point of view "we" live in a big "bosonic bubble flatspace" and all particles "appear" to be tiny reciprocal bubble environments which are spinning in a six dimensional additional space relative to the three dimensions our bosonic bubble Universe seems to be "inside". These two objects share the same three spatial dimensions but where in our "empty space Universe" everything is embedded into a flatspace the truth is it is a curved space and depending on how this is perceived from an external environment is a very small highly curved reciprocal environment spinning at frequency where the frequency is a periodic function. In our perception of the Universe as space and time ... time is non-periodic but this ignores the inherent spin of our Universe in that reciprocal space.

In our eventspace of the entire Universe a single solution of the eigen state of the Universe incorporates everything that has ever happen over maybe hundreds of billions of years and reciprocally relates this to a frequency which by its very nature is cyclic and repeating.

In actual fact everything including "us" are composed of sub-atomic bubble particles with shiny walls which are opposing simple dimensional movement across the boundaries. The bubbles and the big bosionic flatspace are kept apart by single simple law called CPT-Lorentz Symmetry. This is a law of "solitons" and stability. The surface of this bubble as a region in which we can resolve standing waves identical to these solutions...

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Wolfram Mathworld: Spherical Harmonics
From this analysis we obtain all the primary quantum numbers as solutions on the surface of a two dimensional sphere. This can be generalized to more dimensions and they are individually the same as Fourier components of simple reciprocal functions which are harmonic on the boundaries through the notion of reciprocal space and reciprocal time ... frequency.

In this concept Charge and Mass as well as the fields such as electric and magnetic fields link to each other leading to stationary states. We can see the exact same principle with sound waves and the way in which a resonant chamber can have a number of stable states all being excited at the one time and all occupying the one volume... Playing a note on a musical instrument... You will need to scroll the image to the bottom to see the fundamental frequency and above that all the related 'acoustic" frequencies we usually think of as part of the "packet". Only this is simply the natural process in which sound "mimics" quantum processes. Sound (at least in this example) is not a quantum process it is a mechanical one of solutions of eigenvalues of a resonant cavity system.

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Here we see in this Wikipedia Article all the attributes of quantum theory without quantum theory.
Wikipedia: Spectrogram
This "begs the question" as to what quantum theory really is. I would say a reluctance to accept that we are not observing particles but we are observing waves and waves only.

Therefore it is not that surprising to see that light and the geometry of the space define the resonant physics of systems. It also follows that since quantum cavities defined by light cone walls make near perfect walls for all electromagnetic phenomena , it is conceivable that like the violin above these cavity "bubble" Universes define resonant systems. That resonance is the way in which a cavity can accept and release "quanta" as propagating solitons (more particles) or engage in the emission of waves (dipole radiation). This is all of wave and particle physics but it is missing a full description of the geometry of our Universe. These reciprocal spaces lead to singularities on the mathematics (division by zero). To get any sense out of this a completely unjustified process called renormalization is used to "unify" flatspaces and reciprocal bubble spaces. To continue with a wholly particle interpretation leads to attempts to quantize the manifold and as Schizophrenic usually do keep "banging their heads on the padded walls of their cells" endlessly as they try to force round pegs into square holes.

I have spent a lot of my time on other threads trying to convince others this is indeed the case.
http://forum.physorg.com/index.php?showtopic=6587&st=0
That three dimensional bundle which are cavities (the cavity of a violin as shown above with some "apertures"... F-holes and traditional 'round" holes) are defined by the walls (boundary conditions) energetically. Our universe by analogy is a similar system for the propagation and resonance of photons... packets of energy... in a three dimensional spatial continuum with in a quantum defined interval of time. This means that from our way of calculation, these three dimensional objects such as assemblies of sub-atomic particles (we call atoms) and the assemblies of atoms (walls and boundaries in space that we think of as isolated systems and "physical objects") are the entire explanation for physics. This links to the system of least action succinctly defined by the laws of Lagrangian and Hamiltonian formulation in Classical Physics. Remember though ... do not forget the "resonances" that lead to quanta.

The only problem with this "picture" is the ignorance of the global "bubble" (we call our Universe) leading to a principle of least action with few but important exceptions. These exceptions are quantum events in which energy can transfer spontaneously from one isolated system to another through the process of dimensional tunneling. Otherwise it is very difficult to see any effect at all from quantum mechanics. The only way in which we can notice this phenomena is through an old idea we have formerly called Mach's Principle. This states that the most distant parts of the Universe have an influence on our immediate environment. This is a theory of non-local action at a distance. The effect is the residual spacial curvature called "mass". It also leads to a principle in which mass is not a force but only a pseudo-force as stated by Einstein. From that point of view Soultechs assertion about the nature of phenomena is correct...

This is correct and this is what particles do with their intrinsic spin. This time dilation leads to an inability to compare the inertial frame of freely falling photons inside of relativistically spinning six dimensional bubbles and the the flatspace we are finding ourselves apparently falling freely in right now. Our Universe has an intrinsic spin and so do particles in which the mass is a correction between the two apparently inertial frames. That internal spreading photon "on the inside" of a sub-atomic particle, is as though in a freely falling space there are no apparent forces of attraction. Haven't you always wondered why photons follow the same geodesics in spacetime as particles of mass, the difference being only the relative velocity?

Photons have no mass yet spread on the surface of a geodesic as if they had mass. It is axiomatic that photons can be trapped (with the possible exception of Black Holes) ... not with gravity ... but by a particular "symmetric" form of electromagnetism, a bubble. Seen from an external frame of reference this geodesic motion of spreading is perceived as an acceleration since the photon is now confined to a "stationary state" or in actual fact it is not stationary but a standing wave which is not exactly the same thing. What is internally spreading into a very large almost flatspace externally this is a tiny mirrored bubble whose interior is unable to be observed except through the residual spatial curvature we call mass. A quantum may emerge and this can also be a solition observing CPT-Lorentz Symmetry or it may simply conform to the force carrier of our Universe... The Photon and this "object spreads on the surface of our flatspace once again with its global curvature we are completely ignoring since it is so very small.

This complex reciprocal properties of space and time and the embedding of space and time within itself as particles and other wave phenomena such as the spreading photons embedding in what initially appears to be a flatspace but is actually globally a curved spacetime as well. The other aspect of all this is the Holographic nature of the "reflections" and imaging of all these phenomena as "virtual particles and virtual photons" as more optics in our spacetime to explain these relativistic spatial mirrors.

To show what this is like in a concrete 'simple" demonstration of a working "model" of our Universe look at this...

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Here are simple optical elements working in two dimensions, performing Fourier transforms of an initial image plane to produce the reciprocal space and frequency domain from a spatial and temporal one... They are Dual. This process in a closed domain is lossless and errorless. Look Ma no moving parts! This is a mechanism that is used to create and re-create our Universe in domains where things that are small are large and things that are large are small.

I tell you no lie... this is the secret of your Universe right there.

Cheers

This post has been edited by Good Elf on May 20 2007, 01:37 AM

The electron orbitals can be interpreted by Kepler's motion of many particles around atom nuclei.

Classically that's not true and quantum mechanically that's not true. And this is another thing I know you and I have been over before.

Classically the electrons should radiate energy due to being in an accelerated motion and so should spiral into the nucleus. Hence considering them as Newtonian objects which just form a 'mini-solar system' doesn't work.

If you claim otherwise, you're going to have to give some results which demonstrate experimental results can be obtained using your proposed method. Just claiming it's possible isn't sufficent.

Hi AlphaNumeric, Zephir, Soultechs et al,

Classically that's not true and quantum mechanically that's not true. And this is another thing I know you and I have been over before.

Classically the electrons should radiate energy due to being in an accelerated motion and so should spiral into the nucleus. Hence considering them as Newtonian objects which just form a 'mini-solar system' doesn't work.

If you claim otherwise, you're going to have to give some results which demonstrate experimental results can be obtained using your proposed method. Just claiming it's possible isn't sufficient.

Recently correlated electron pairs in "motion" around atomic nuclei have shown semi-classical Keplerian (Bohr) Orbits. I have seen this recently in a scientific article. I have not found the exact article but I have substituted a slightly older paper that illustrates this phenomenon. There is an article here that is a precursor theoretically to this position and supports the case that electron pairs can execute semi-classical "planar" Bohr orbits around the nuclei of atoms. So in this point Zephir is not too wide of facts other than he did not mention "paired electrons". It is a kind of "Cooper Pair".

Above you can see what otherwise happens in the animation above in my previous submission where the circulating individual valence electrons undergo Fourier "smearing" over 30 Keplerian periods...
Pas de Deux for Atomic Electrons: C. R. Stroud, Jr.
This was published in Science in 2004.

The phenomenon is tied to the boson state (integer spin) of paired correlated fermions (X2 half integer spins). Two fermions in the one quantum state have opposite spin-states and they can occupy a single virtual boson state where they are apparently collapsed into a propagating "soliton"... Or at least that is my interpretation of it. This is not "classical" but it is very "semi-classical". Think of two "orthogonal sinusoidal oscillations" at right angles to each other and out of phase by spatial pi/2 radians and temporally by pi radians. The Lissajous Figure is a circle.
Wikipedia: Lissajous curve
Not shown in this set of curves is where delta = pi/2 and a = b. You will have the "circle". Of course it is a bit more complex than this (there is literally "a twist" to it) but this example illustrates a good point. This is a standing wave but the "energy" precesses around the curve ... like a particle... A very stable "bright matter soliton". Of course this is the exact relationship between the electric and magnetic field in EM standing waves. To see why I think there is a relation between the EM standing waves and circulating energy look at this paper...
Is the electron a photon with toroidal topology? : J.G. Williamson and M.B. van der Mark


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This is an interesting read... not the whole story but a better story as to the origin of charge through "topology" and the Hubrius Helix...
"The Nature of the Electron" by Qiu-Hong Hu

Cheers

This post has been edited by Good Elf on May 20 2007, 05:02 AM

Good Elf: How does your photon-bubble idea recreate electroweak theory? You seem to be making the photon a privileged item, rather than unifying it with other bosons.

Does your idea offer any insight into the (exactly) three generations of fermions? And why are the eigenstates for quarks' weak force coupling ever so slightly mis-aligned compared to the strong force coupling?

Hmm, it might be easier to start with K-meson oscillations. Why does that happen, and why are there separate Long and Short forms?

Hi LearmSceince,

Not strictly a photon bubble but a spacetime bubble with "walls" that are terminating on the edge of a light cone. Photons do not strictly create the conditions in space they are dependent on them. Once in place they are "sticky" through CPT-Lorentz Symmetry. Electroweak Theory is an extension of Quantum Electrodynamics. Learn Quantum Electrodynamics and you have an Electroweak Theory.
http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9065021/Abdus-Salam
Of course this association has already been shown. Here is another theory that Creates and Unifies all particles through taking simple photons and making them undergo "boosts" and "spins" to create all orders of sub-atomic particles. Once you have them then it is a simple step to create all particles (a String Theory).

P343, "A First Course in String Theory" by B. Zwiebach
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This is a string theory but String Theories have a lot in common with a certain group of symmetries ... electroweak being one of them. My ideas have much in common with string theory but they differ from most in the way dimensions are naturally embedded. This is not the way the universe makes particles but maybe it could if it was tried.

Cheers

This post has been edited by Good Elf on May 20 2007, 11:41 AM

Force field technology is only owned by the United States and China....


It is advanced laser array technology at certain frequencies...

It"s all one big ball of string.

I know the accepted Electroweak Theory works very well. What does that have to do with the stuff you posted earlier, to wit:

That does not describe any orthodox or mainstream theory.

I'm not talking about charged particles, the electrons the less. Every single electron in electron orbital would correspond to many particles in this model.

massive objects orbiting each other emit gravity waves that slowly drain energy away from the system until the objects spiral into each other. It takes hundredds of millions of years unless the objects are supermassive such as neutron stars.

Hi LearmSceince, Soultechs, Neil Farbstein et al,

Everything and nothing I suppose. It is my proposal that all particle theories relate to an underlying continuum theory. It is not in disagreement with the current quantum theory, it is just "not popular" at the moment. This is the best way to "unify" the forces. Standard particle theories relate to standard string theories through a divergence between a description based on point source vs a distributed source arising from additional "compact" dimensions. In that way particle theories are converted into continuum theories on a scale of the Planck Length. I disagree with that theory on several grounds not the least of which is the lack of experimental justification. These additional dimensions are "linearly" related to existing dimensions ... more or less added ad hoc as extensions to our existing linear dimensions of space and a linear dimension of time. I propose an experimentally testable theory which provides the same outcomes but based on resonantly coupled reciprocally linked compact dimensions which relate through the Fourier Transform as dual wave-particle descriptions of reality based on the frequency and time domain respectively. The compact set of six reciprocal spatial dimensions share three additional linear dimensions with our bosonic vacuum space. Ten dimensions in all. Time in the reciprocal space being replaced by frequency (reciprocal time). Eleven if you like to count separately... Of course it does not just stop there.

This is an exact correlation of the AdS-CFT conjecture with the way in which the Universe embeds additional dimensions Holographically. A quantum process is one in which a suitable photon wave-particle can move between these two realms by tunneling through the four dimensional Lagrangian of energy into the dual reciprocal environment. As I have indicated the photon can exhibit any and all particle properties depending on how "observers" interpret the nature of the space in which the photon is propagating. Either the photon is "spreading" or it is "confined" and time is apparently "linear" or "harmonically folded" depending on your reference frame. It is entirely dependent on where the observer is placed. In this total Optical Theory of Everything there are no divergences since the reciprocal domains are well understood and are mathematically wholly translatible and invertible. This is unlike the linear theories which lead to the need to renormalize. There is a strong affinity with standard electromagnetic theory and a strong "interpretation" of the near field. To see more about this I suggest you look at this thread.
http://forum.physorg.com/index.php?showtopic=6587
What I would like to say is this idea does not undercut particle theories but does emphasize their shortcomings and attempts to replace it with an underlying continuum theory more akin to conventional electromagnetic field theory than quantum theory. I have tried to indicate through existing experiments why this is the way to proceed and is "natural" unlike the current batch of "String Theories".

One of the more interesting consequences of the theory is that Special Relativity and de Broglie Matter waves are complementary phenomena... the former deals with behavior in reference frames in high relative velocity and the latter deals with reference frames around the region in which there is zero relative velocity... Wrapping according to the Lorentz Symmetry through a rotation of arcsin(V/C) into the reciprocal space. Thus the de Broglie Matter wave for particles is the evanescent field of a "reciprocal space" photon wave "leaking" from higher dimensions through tunneling in the near field and likewise electromagnetic waves translate into particle fields when they undergo a half twist in as they move into the Anti-de Sitter Space of the complementary domain. Wave particle duality...

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The Particle, an impulse, on the left and the simplest wave complementary domain representation on the right, the sync function.

Feel free to read what you need of the reference above, it is a bit of a long story and this is probably not the place to fully deal with it. The electroweak theory and all particle theories are then "subsets" and their treatments lead to correct results but they are right for the wrong reason. They are "Ptolemaic" rather than real Physics. This method preserves the results and extends the physics into testable, almost familiar domains.

Cheers

This post has been edited by Good Elf on May 21 2007, 03:52 PM

I'm broadly in agreement with what you're saying Good Elf. Though I don't see any need for any extra dimensions. See this RELATIVITY+ essay and follow the links to MASS EXPLAINED and GRAVITY EXPLAINED:

http://forum.physorg.com/index.php?showtopic=13479&st=0

hej Good Elf

QUOTE: -" I believe that there is excellent reason to think that the true state of everything is not "matter" but that of waves."

What makes the waves - from what is the wave composed of?

This is why, the AWT is named the Aether Wave theory. But the harmonic wave phase is not the most widespread phase of the Universe apparently, because of highly chaotic nature of the vacuum, which can be described as a mixture of many waves. The Universe is appears to be formed by duality of inertial diffusion and wave equations, instead. Both these equations are requiring the inertia to be working, though. But the amount of initial inertia required appears to be finite, if not negligible with compare to the apparent inertia of Aether. We can observe some trend in understanding of Universe: the more facts we consider about Universe at the same time, the less ad-hoc assumptions is required for it's reasoning.

This situation looks quite well with respect of our understanding of the Universe: we maybe never will be able to understand it totally, but the number of ad-hoc assumptions required for such assumption will tend to zero, gradually. After all, if the Aether Wave theory is correct, it will cover our understanding for many years in advance. Because it enables us to predict both the history, both the future of Universe pretty well outside of our ability to prove such evolution by experiments and/or observations.

In general, the material of waves are the Aether particles. But these particles can be created mostly by these waves itself - the particle fluctuations are serving as a bumpy glass, which multiplies the image of the whole Universe.

This post has been edited by Zephir on May 21 2007, 10:10 PM