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> Mysterious disappearance of US bees, Full story at http://www.physorg.com/news95135881.html
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Posted: Apr 7 2007, 02:07 PM


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Those bees found in such devastated colonies also all seem to be infected with multiple micro-organisms, many of which are known to be behind stress-related illness in bees.


The bees are just more environmental sensitive than most Americans, and feeling depressed at the doomsday ahead due to inaction, committing suicide in droves.
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Posted: Apr 7 2007, 03:02 PM


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vlam67, Maybe they could rally the killer bees to attack Bush and his cronies for inaction on global warming and an appalling environmental record! ohmy.gif That might be more fun than impeachment. biggrin.gif


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Posted: Apr 7 2007, 04:17 PM


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History note:This action has it seems been noted, in eastcoast colonies, only?

*If you have other information, anybody here, then please bring this forward?/

> People on this planet, it seems by and large are doggerel in their pursuits.

The condition of artificial hives, toted on trucks, are subpar in cleanliness.

They are old wooden hives, that are not serviced nor painted and or cleaned.

There could be an envisioning, of octagonal configured hives, which clean easier, but also have clean wood inserts in them, for honey hive comb construction.

These hives, would have micro-electronic music, powered by hive atop solar cells, which would play through the daytime hive constantly.

Bees are a very studious gentle animal, that at heart, are kind and good workers.

The state of affairs seems, that we care way less about them, than we should as brothers to this planet.

I feel that there should be a two year course, on being a bee keeper, with a state supplied department of agriculture, awarded at the end of that period.CEUs for that learning expierence?

There should also be two times or more a year, meetings, of people who keep bees, to determine what the hive health is, at that particular time period.

Get this through your heads, bees are vitally important and should not be disregarded, as a minor social insect?!

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Posted: Apr 7 2007, 05:11 PM


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This trend has somewhat concerned me; I can't think of anything to do at a private level, except to allow native wildflowers on my property this year.


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Mantech1
Posted: Apr 8 2007, 04:33 AM


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This articles a bit sparse.

For instance I see no mention of them even studying wild bee colonies to find out if CCD (is that acronym really needed? When I see it I keep thinking "Charge Couple Device") effects bees outside of Beekeeper hives.

Though I do have to wonder how a scientist or Beekeeper can tell if a bee is stressed out, or rather how those micro-organisms found in those sparsely populated hives relate to "stress related(?) illness. I mean do they know this for sure or are they guessing or incorrectly identifying similiar and benign micro-organisms.

The article mentions no dead bees found inside or outside of those effected colonies. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it normal behaviour for bees to push their dead out of the colony? If I'm remembering this correctly then shouldn't the beekeepers have noticed the extra dead bees lying around the hive?

Could this instead just be some new behaviour pattern? What if these missing bee's are...migrating (perhaps not the right word but its the only one that comes to mind now), perhaps forming multiple swarms to establish new hives in areas with fewer bee colonies.

Granted I don't know that much about bee's but shouldn't more research be done before just pointing the finger at insecticides as the cause?

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Posted: Apr 8 2007, 09:45 AM


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Even an idiot knows the answer: chemical polluition and genetically modified crops. good luck from Europe!
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Posted: Apr 8 2007, 09:51 AM


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Yes, Genetically modified crops (GMOs). Genetic engineering is horribly sloppy with unpredictably toxic results... results that may go undetected well after it's already been approved. And here I mean laboratory style genetic engineering, not the usual cross breeding done for centuries. Great article on this:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/...,473166,00.html

If the problem persists, there will be widespread food shortages within five years. Add that to mad cow in bovines, CJD in deer, avian flu in poultry... Enjoy food now while it's available! Now where's my Soylent Green DVD...

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The queen is the only one that can breed. If they were establishing a new hive, they'd need to either take the queen, or take a newly born queen. It seems unlikely that mass numbers of bees would randomly decide to do this.

To me, given the fact that their aren't bodies strewn all over the place around hives (or in them if it happens fast enough), it seems likely that the bees are being killed while away from the hive. A fast acting pesticide seems most likely ph34r.gif . In the end, the only bees that are left are the ones that are too sick and weak to look for food. Hence the (paraphrased) "only bees left were the queen, with a small amount of reserve food, and a few stressed and sick workers that were infected with nasty diseases".
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Posted: Apr 8 2007, 05:36 PM


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It's not a mystery. Please check out my posts on this thread - http://forum.physorg.com/index.php?showtopic=13797&hl.

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This trend has somewhat concerned me; I can't think of anything to do at a private level, except to allow native wildflowers on my property this year. 


Very good question. I would start by calling your regional agricultural office (are you in America?).

Been wondering what to do also. I was thinking of erecting my own beehive not to utilize, but for them. We should all do some research and post results; this is not a topic like global warming. There is no controversy. It will have real effects, and real soon.


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Connie
Posted: Apr 8 2007, 07:40 PM


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There is something we can all do- NOT use chemical pesticides outdoors. And research all the ones we do use to make sure that nothing escapes the manufacturing plants, contaminating the environment. Sevin ® kills bees, malathion kills bees, Gaucho ® kills bees, Merrit ® kills bees. One of the earlier commenters asked "How do we know?" The USDA and beekeeping organizations have intensively studied Apis melifera (honeybees) for over 100 years. 1/3 of our food supply in the USA is co-dependent with them. I used to keep a few colonies myself, sort of as "pets" or a hobby, but it is too expensive now, and too disheartening. The migratory beekeepers referred to earlier are actually good beekeepers, old wood doesn't hurt bees, as long as they are kept healthy, they will actually keep it clean themselves. And migratory beekeepers can't afford to let their bees get "sick". They are inspected, anyway, and they don't get paid for weak colonies that can't do the job (pollination). The price of food has already been going up, just wait until the scarcity happens from not having honeybees!
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Suling
Posted: Apr 8 2007, 08:19 PM


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Let's see:
Could the current demise of Bees be caused by one of the fine products brought to us by Monsanto?(partial list below:)

Or maybe one they sell that hasn't been discovered to kill you or the bees, yet.?

Pesticides
Herbicides
saccharin
PCBs
Aspartame
Bovine Growth Hormone Posilac, a synthetic drug used to increase milk production in cows, is banned in most first-world countries, with the exception of the United States, where it can be found in much of the milk supply
Agent Orange
Frankenfood
Terminator genes (attempted)
introduced caffeine and vanillin to Coca-Cola
polyurethanes
first to genetically modify a plant cell in 1982.
phenylalanine
Celebrex.






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soundhertz
Posted: Apr 8 2007, 09:29 PM


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And how many more "Monsantos" are out there. Some of the products mentioned are benign enough; remember we can die easily enough from water, sodium chloride - you get my drift. But we truly need to realize that our species is not one of the more fragile ones due in part to our ingenuity. Cockroaches are also not fragile due to theirs. The ingenuities just work differently. But creatures like frogs and honeybees are fragile when it comes to pesticides/herbicides, etc.

Merit (imidocloprid) is the one making bees disoriented and unable to find their homes. It doesn't kill them, they die because they have no instinct for surviving on their own. Their entire mode of survival collapses. If they find the wrong hive they are immediately killed. Adult honeybees only live for about 1 - 2 months. There is a great turnover in the hive, and each generation must provide the support for the next. You can see how quickly a catastrophy can happen then. In Pa. where I live, we've been warned that our honeybee population is expected to be at less than 50% of last year's pop. If this is accurate info...

There is hope: people find solutions when they are inspired enough to.


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  Posted: Apr 10 2007, 07:42 PM


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Why is there no mention of the fact that kept bees are often given concentrated corn syrup to help them over-winter? I would hope that I would not have to mention that ALL corn in the world has already been tainted with G.M.O pesticide courtesy of Monsanto .
Rice wheat and soy are all scheduled for contamination with human DNA by the F.D.A soon. Eat up fellow cannibals.
If the pharmas want to make drugs from plants they should, by law (yet to be written) keep them isolated from animals insects and people not grow them out in the field. Also they be made to look like complete freaks so that human beings at least, can avoid consuming it when it is accidentally served up in an elementary school! As you well know the Constitution states I have the right to practice my religion and people have a right to pursue happiness but I do not see that the right to deliberately deceive one another in that pursuit is spelled out . All people must have the absolute right to see a food item and know exactly what it is. If it looks like a tomato and tastes like a tomato it should NOT be allowed under any circumstances have altered or foreign DNA placed in it.Who knows what devastating and probably irreversible effects this stupid action will have on the animal and insect life on our fragile planet!
Let the drug and GMO companies practice their right to make money with traditionally inedible ornamental plants that are far enough removed from food plants that the possibility of contamination and exposure to potentially mind altering or deadly effects will be Nil. I would think that we all want to be protected from potentiality mind altering or deadly effects of accidentally consuming this vile class of panted medicine hidden within the food that we eat every day. Is that Kosher?
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Posted: Apr 10 2007, 07:57 PM


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Google "chemtrails" and you will see what is killing the bee population. It could certainly be qualified as chemical pollution. Jet pollution. Except for, the NWO is doing to humanity on purpose. Haven't any of you noticed the fine filaments resembling spider webs (only it's single stranded) on your decks and patios our out in your yards or on the golf course when the sun hits it just right? Tell me what breed of spider spins a single threaded web twenty-five feet from the corner of my house to the middle of my back yard?



Peace.

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Eric the Healer
Posted: Apr 10 2007, 08:55 PM


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I heard from a reliable source that they are blind from the ultra violet radiation (from depleted uranium bombing and chem-trail sparaying www.carnicom.com) and can't see the flower/pollen and die of starvation. Also, genetically modified crops are killing them off also (when they can get to something). Wake up and learn, then tell two friends!
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