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| mangetom |
Posted: Mar 23 2005, 06:00 AM
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Hello relativism,
I thought that relativity is proved; they teach in school, “they” do everything based on that theory. Then why we have to prove it again: Gravity Probe B Mission Begins Collecting Science to Test Einstein's Theory. Or, some more are wandering, Magnero |
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| martillo |
Posted: Mar 25 2005, 01:13 PM
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Gravity Probe B sattelite was launched quite an year ago (june 2004).
I think that much time passed. They had too much time to collect and analyze data but we have no news about scientific conclusions. I believe they couldn't prove anything. I believe Relativity is wrong. What is needed now is another theory that can explain all the phenomena that Relativity explain someway. Now there's an alternative, but I worn you: not only Einstein was wrong. Some others of today's main theories must be corrected. I believe that Physics is in a "bad inaccurate state" just because a set of accumulative errors. Take a look at: A New Light in Physics for a completely consistent alternative theory. |
| WaterBreath |
Posted: Mar 25 2005, 03:12 PM
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First, your warning should be a little stronger. That page you linked to declares quite a lot of currently accepted theory "wrong". I don't have a problem with that, if and only if the alternatives are self-consistent, make new predictions, and reproduce all the verified predictions of the old, "wrong" theories. If they can't do this, then they need work. Second, from what I've seen, this guy doesn't make much sense.
After this statement that charge is only a mathematical device, he then goes on to define magnetic and electrical interaction based on the charge of an elementary ring-particle (not quoted). So which is it? Either charge is just a device of our imagining, or it is a physical phenomena that determines interaction of particles. How can it be both? Finally, how about you read up on what the plan for the probe was before you decide it was a failure, there's a conspiracy, and data is being held back: http://www.spacedaily.com/news/gravity-04r.html From April to September the probe was achieving and synchronizing orbit, and calibrating sensors. Why so much time for this? Because the measurements it's taking must have unprecedented precision, so calibration and orientation must be extremely precise. In September, the 13-month data-gathering process started. After that is done, there will be a final calibration to ensure the measurements are as precise at the end as they were at the beginning. So, sometime in late 2005 or early 2006 we will have 13 months of data to analyze and see what the results are. Why so much data? Again, the measurements must be very precise. More data means that we can tolerate more anomalies, because the "noise" will be easier to detect and filter out to get to the important stuff. |
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| martillo |
Posted: Mar 25 2005, 07:47 PM
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WaterBreath,
May be the paragraph is not so clear as I wanted to. What is wanted to describe is that what really exist in nature are the electric and magnetic forces and that their value can be expressed mathematically by a parameter called charge that represents the strength of the forces being considered. If an object produces an electric field E is assumed it has a quantity of charge Q such that E = KQ/r2 What I sustain is that the value Q is a parameter necessary to express the formula of the field, but is not a physical entity (Is not made by some kind of "material"). I also sustain that the charge parameter is very useful because it can give us a notion of how and where is the origin of the electric field. The elementary particles proposed in the new theory are pure sources of electric and magnetic fields and the parameter charge defined for them are rings. This is the simple basic idea of the new concept of particle. When the appropiate law of dependence of their currents with the distance is defined they present the particular behaviour necessary to explain the diffraction and quantum behaviours described in the text. I'm sorry if it is not clear enough in the text. It is difficult to explain a new concept with few words. I tried to make a concise book and I agree some things may need further explanation. May be there's no "new predictions" in the theories presented, the main roll is to offer a new way to interpret many of well known phenomena in physics. Thanks for the gived attention. |
| Guest_mangetom |
Posted: Mar 27 2005, 03:31 AM
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Brothers!
The new theory will come and you will recognize it when this new invented or discovered theory will produce real miracles. So, do not bother with any new theory as much as it cannot produce any miracle. Looking deeply into science and scientific community, it is not much different from religion. For me it is just a religion. Unfortunately it is my religion too. But, I am not a priest I'm a heretic. Analyze the history of the Big Bang Theory, it is just an example. And, this is happening because of our biggest weakness - WE BELEAVE! Magnero |
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| WaterBreath |
Posted: Mar 27 2005, 05:34 AM
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Martillo:
Very sorry for my nasty and hasty response. Thank you for responding with patience and reasoning, rather than with the same tone I used. As you may already know, I've also sent a private message in apology. I will take a closer look at the online book. It seems there may be some interesting new ideas in there. |
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