Physics Of 9/11 Events - Part 3, continued from: 9/11 Events- New thread

However, to play fair by the poorer hypothesis, I changed it so that deltaT is a parameter. Now it is essentially as good.

Have one other small program defect to clean up. Then it will be time for some definitive runs.

Once upon a time, a few generations back in the genealogy of this thread, Gordon Brown posted his evolving conceptions, which eventually led to his paper. My understanding of his formal analysis was that the lower section of the building had sufficient capacity to resist collapse, unless an external mechanism was present.

The point of my most recent post concerns the extension of the list of available external mechanisms.

Whether or not, "the operator bumped the camera slightly, or the tripod is on a roof where a huge air conditioner kicked on", in the video I sited, is independent of the hitherto unconsidered devastating potential of applied mechanical resonance to a tall steel building.

I'm just suggesting that those, not of the Nistian persuasion, review the available evidence from the perspective of, what if they did set the building into mechanical resonance at this moment or that. Would it make sense, to the account or the event, such as, the janitor Rodriguez claiming that heavy equipment was displaced, and the inexplicable devastation in the lobby.

If it was used, I have no idea how, when or where it was applied. Utilizing such a destructive force for demolition purposes is not, to my understanding, an established science. There is no basis for assuming that "they" knew exactly how to unleash Tesla's monster, a century later, and not more than a few blocks south of his lab, and site of his infamous lab experiment.

"i remember an explosion....
at that point i got knocked out, ...i don't remember anything
then i got up, ...and i remember walking out, and there was total darkness in the corridors, and i was at the edge, i was in a dentist's office, because there was dentist chairs and tools, and i looked out the window, 'cause the windows exploded, and the street below caved in, the whole street caved in, you could see below the street, and at that point there was fireballs coming up, i said, 'alright, i'm not gonna make it, i really didn't think i wasn't going to make it."


that's not very, 'chopped', dudes.

doesn't matter so much exactly 'when', because, the point is, THE STREET CAVED IN, and FIREBALLS SHOT UP OUT OF THE EARTH. you pick a time where that fits the official whitewash, arthii.

"quote mining" to OCTs equals "no eyewitness testimony is relevant".

doesn't matter how many HUNDREDS OF people say "boom, boom, boom, boom", or "secondary explosion that brought the tower down", or how many recordings of explosions you hear.... it's just "quote mining" to you evilhelldevils.

in other noose, the bush crime cabal tries to push through legislation making them immune from persecution for war crimes(which of course, is not frivolous or circuitous, and is my elephant is on the rampage, arta good use of taxpayers time and money). i wonder if hitler tried that?

my elephant is becoming a herd, arthurs.

If you saw the northern lights over New York City in broad daylight, then you might be right!

Did you see the Northern lights over New York on 9/11/2001?

Energy transmitted thought the atmosphere has an effect on the atmosphere and on the magnetic field of the earth, that can be observed.

Any energy that does not have a noticeable effect would have killed everyone on site at those power levels.

Do you have any more Questions?

Gordon Ross, not the politician. Anyway, he's been thoroughly debunked.

Caused by the fireballs coming down the voids in the core.

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Removing the towers' resonances was done by the dampers.

This post has been edited by David B. Benson on Jan 22 2008, 12:14 AM

Well the PROBLEM, newton, is in the pictures taken immediately afterward, there are NO STREETS that are CAVED IN.

My GUESS, is he is talking about the PLAZA, which DID cave in.

As to your Herd, hardly.



I've YET to actually meet a Twoofer IN REAL LIFE.

I've heard they exist, though.

Arthur

This absolutely has to be one of the dumbest posts I have ever read.

Congrats Zoctober, just when I thought that the loonyness couldn't get any loonier you've gone and raised the bar.

ROTFLMAO

Arthur

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Hi everyone.

Two hurried observations (note: to help ameliorate newton's Aussie-induced
headache, I will avoid using my usual 'style', hehehe).....

RE ground vibrations just before collapse....Has anyone considered what the dead-weight 'stored energy' (in the lower structure due to upper-section's massive upper core and perimeter section and top hat truss etc) would do when that dead weight was suddenly 'uncoupled' from the 'static support' before hand. The sudden recovery pulse would go up and then rebound back down to the ground and basement connections to the surrounding rock/structure. This would be felt just as it WAS 'felt' by witnesses. No biggie elephant there.


Re ground level flames....Can anyone tell me where/how the gas pipelines were routed/protected; and:

- whether they were broken a by initial plane impact mechanical oscillations/waves down the columns?.....and/or

- whether escaping gas buildup ignited by jet-fuel fronts and fires started when the initial fireballs channeled down the broken shafts? and..

- is it possible that some of what CHAINSAW has been pondering has also a pre-existing gas-pipe complication/contribution to the possible explosive' buildups in and below the buildings? and...

- Whether more such 'piped gas explosions' could also have occurred later (after more gas buildups) were coincidentally ignited/exploded simulataneously with collapse start?



Just the briefest of two cents worth. Catch you all next time through.

PS:...I hope that wasn't too painful a word salad for ya, newton! hehehe.

Cheers all!

RC.
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This post has been edited by RealityCheck on Jan 22 2008, 12:52 AM

But just using the C449 data alone, the poorer hypothesis is still substantially disconfirmed, despite having a deltaT parameter to help it along:

and it seems that is all we can get. C447 alone does not disconfirm more than dB=4.6. So be it.

This post has been edited by David B. Benson on Jan 22 2008, 01:21 AM

Oh really?



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/gwion/Twoofgraph.png

Notice how hits on the HotWheels site outnumber all of these Twoofer sites, COMBINED.



As to

Source?

Arthur

This post has been edited by adoucette on Jan 22 2008, 01:36 AM

What is HotWheels?

A kids toy.

http://www.hotwheels.com/index_hwkids.aspx

Arthur

"Do you have any more Questions?"

Just one.

What does mechanical resonance, applied to a physical construction via direct contact with a vibration inducing device have to do with "the Northern lights over New York on 9/11/2001" ???

Tesla was also involved in projecting energy into the atmospheric. So?

If you are trying to demonstrate a talent for missing the point, then I'm impressed.

Nothing,
however what device that is not super conducting and super cooled could do what you propose and how likely is it to survive fires?

How do you power a super cooled super conducting high power device without electrical power?

thanks, RC(for word meat).
even if what you cite as a possible source for a caving in street and fireballs were true, the NIST should have a section on it. they don't mention fireballs at street level.

and, arthurs: bad detective skills. why am i not surprised a .gif named 'twoofgraph' is good enough for you. those sites probably represent no more than 10% of the activity by HONEST RESEARCHERS. it should be called a "patriotgraph", and it should include about fifty other 'twoofer' sites, like AE911, ATS, the black vault, hundreds or thousands of personal blogs......

i just ran into a whole gaggle of 'twoofers'. one of them bought twenty copies of zeitgeist to hand out to people and wake them up. these same people knew nothing until a few months ago, and now, they are evangelists.

others i tried to convince for YEARS, are now trying to 'impress me' with facts about bush/nazi/bin laden ties.
i'm impressed.

here's the war crime crap....
immunity back to 9/11 for the bush league
okay. it's from 2006, and it passed. the president pardons himself from warcrimes. no biggie, eh, arthurs?

This post has been edited by newton on Jan 22 2008, 03:14 AM