Why do you believe or not in God ?, science and revelation r not compatible

As scientist, but the criterion is not sufficient, I can not believe that a god supervise the universe and direct its evolution.
Worse I cannot imagine that he 'd direct my life and my fate !

First there is no proof that he ever existed excepted this book called bible but that shows many incoherences and misleadings, mixing skillfully various pseudoscientific concepts, historic events, and religious rules. More, it is is pray to many interpretations at various levels. No really scientific.

I cannot believe in someone that so-called appeared only once and for only one people to the detriment of others without letting the least proof of his reality behind him excepted so-called testimonies.
Worse, the narration of some "miracles" is not confirmed by all apostles and some texts were written far after the christ epoq.

I cannot believe in this god because he even doesn't respect its own rules (see the number of wars, affliction, how greedy are people, etc). Worse, if you respect all his principles to the letter, without the support of the State or associations, you will quickly become a homeless... fine as future...

And as by chance, there is no more miracles nowadays since science explains almost everything... stange coincidence... Are we less naive than 2000 years ago ? we can tell it.

In fact the believe in a god is a revelation, and thus it is not a scientific concept and could never been teach to student as a possible alternative to e.g. the theory of evolution, which is a scientific matter as some of its args can be proved.

We find the same principle of revelation in Rig-Veda, Tagore poems or orthodox icons. This blind believe in a "superman" has no rational justification. It is thus a source of conflicts because such irrational believe relieves from a dogmatism or even a sectarism.
And as we know from sad experiences, dogmatism and sectarism always conduct to excesses, and sometimes to dead.

To conclude, in fact all tends to demonstrate that many of believers will get a strange surprise when they will left this world... no future, the darkness !
Here is a possible encounter :
a guy just reached paradise, and hope to rescusitate.
- he christ, said god, here is another guy from planet earth !
- Sorry guy, said christ, the club is closed for 2000 years ! There will be no miracle nor resurrection !
Christ to god : I never believed that our first club last so long, whaow. Poor guys. naive they were !

Believe me, god is a fake and the imposture lasted too long.
Harder will be the deception

That is not the definition of a god. You can believe in a god without believing these things.

Right. Religion isn't supposed to dictate science, and science isn't supposed to dictate religion, as long as they don't contradict each other; then they can't be compatible. However, there can be religions or at least beliefs which deal with the things that science can't explain, without contradicting science.

The God you are talking about is the Christian god. There are other interpretations of god.
Remember, religions were created by humans. Who are fallible. We can make mistakes. That doesn't mean that a god doesn't exist.

vanadesse is very correct in what he/she says...you are talking about a Christian god.
Anyhow, I don't believe in god because there is no reason to. Science is science, and in my daily schedule, the word god doesn't come up at all...and if someone else didn't mention it to me, chances are I wouldn't think of it at all.
Similarly, do you believe in or think daily about something else that does not exist? no...of course not....when you have an explanation for everything, or at least are willing to explain it while leaving behind childish notions of supernaturality, GOD means nothing.

ImmortalCoil,
quote**when you have an explanation for everything, or at least are willing to explain it while leaving behind childish notions of supernaturality, GOD means nothing.**

I wasn't aware that you or anyone else in the world had an explanation for everything. I suppose there are a lot of childish people in the world because millions believe in the supernatural. God may mean nothing to you, but I am positive you don't have an explanation for everything...not even close.

If I may interject here....
The notion of a god is a personal thought. Whether or not there is a god is solely up to the individual's vision. The notion of god is personal as certain body parts of ourselves are personal. I don't think we should discuss the concept.
If you wish to congregate with nudists, you go to a common ground and mingle. BUT, while there, groups don't discuss their genitalia.......or DO they! For the most part I believe the interaction is on a higher level.
Pushing or throwing out YOUR vision is really a way of saying..."Hey! I've got all the answers! Come follow me!" Or...."Hey! Mine's better than yours!" OR worse, "Hey! look at THAT...his/hers has lesions!" .....such disrespect!

I see no point in trying to disprove or prove, or why or even discuss, but merely to gain data.
If you have an idea of your own god, keep it to yourself. For you may be wrong and if you influence just one other person with a skewered vision, you will have done a great injustice in the search for truth.

This post has been edited by Bloy on Dec 19 2006, 08:02 AM

i find it acceptable for anyone to state their opinion whether they believe or not. If anyones faith is shook up by the discussion then they didn't have much in the first place. It is also possible that someone without faith can change their mind. To say it shouldn't be discussed is to say that reasoning doesn't matter. True faith doesn't come from not being challenged. That is merely blind acceptance. True faith is facing the challenges and still believing.

gods are just for mentally lazy people. While some go looking for answers, others are happy with "goddidit". While some face life, others are happy to let their imaginary friend guide them. gods are a stage that I think most if not all civilisations go through and the fact that our civilisation is still deeply entrenched in religion is a sure sign that we still have a long way to go in growing up.

To say that God is for mentally lazy people is too broad a statement and as irrational as someone who says evolution definitely did not occur. There are many people who believe in God but are still open and willing to the discoveries of science. Until science can prove the origin of the universe without God , or God himself is revealed the question is still debatable.

savagelogic, read the other half of my sentence.
I simply suggested that by human logic, explaining something by the supernatural is not very appealing. In fact it's the same as not explaining something.

As much as I hate posts that say, "I agree", I'm going to post one anyway. (Sometimes it's good to hear an Amen from the congregation.)

Whoa! Another "I agree". It may not follow the laws of math but:

"No explanation" != "God did it"
but
"God did it" == "No explanation".

This post has been edited by gmilam on Dec 19 2006, 02:15 PM

Not true. As I have mentioned before, a study of God is extra study, not less study. I read daily the advances of science. If I were lazy I would stop are reading all together.

How can my study of a God = laziness when I clearly am not lazy, proven by my study of science?

Kaneda, You continue to show your self to be an unreasoning individual with hatred and contempt for anyone considering the possibility of the existence of a God. You continue to throw your contemptuous yarn into this types of thread to insult. If I did not know any better, I would age you at about 13 years.

I have said before and I will say again? if people who believe in a God are idiots to you then why do you lower your self to our level and keep invading these types of threads?

UNDER HISTORY POST, by law:

After reading the series of books The Andreessen Affair and The Watchers, I am convinced, that there is a Christian god.
It is employed here on Earth.

Also there are gods, for the many other natationalites, however might not be affiliated, with the god mentioned in Betty Andreessen Lucas works?

I feel that of this main god, that there is the responsibility of placing souls into entities.

This god, may or may not cotton to certain people and or principles.

I think that events of as late, have overtaxed the dissemination abilities, of the Luca known God Angelic hierarchy compl;ex.

This understanding, in their abilities to understand, as this would relate to what might be termed as the Alvin Toffler advancement of society and population index.

I am not making fun here. I am merely stating that their ability to understand some social syntax, as this would related to the population understanding syntax, is not current to allot of Earthheld humans.

Respectfully

Insyght. Every few years on a christian board I was on for several years, I started a topic: Why we are here.

It explained why the atheists that christians moan about so much were on the board. Apart from the fact that we could not let christians blandly say anything wrong about science, or make misleading claims, it was about how christians interfere in the lives of others.

House of Lords has 26 unelected bishops who have been making British laws for centuries. After every election in the UK, the religions look down the list of MP's elected and see who is "on their side". In debates like abortion, euthenasia, etc, these people then use moral blackmail and some force to make sure that these people vote as they want them to. Many high streets in the UK have god botherers who also knock on people's doors. Churches have signs outside which are often lies (but the advertising standards authority is not allowed to do anything about them or any other religious claim. Tax funded schools can be religious only and pick and choose among the best pupils. The BBC TV MUST air a certain number of religious programmes by LAW. Blasphemy and heresy crimes are solely to censor religious critics. Freedom to shop on Sundays is less than 2 decades old, and creationist crackpots still complain about it. And so on.

Here in Thailand where it is illegal, twice in under 2 weeks I have seen christians handing out leaflets to local buddhists (94%) and telling them they will burn in hell if they do not embrace Jesus as their saviour.

If you have one single shred of evidence to support your religion, I am prepared to listen. If you have none, why do you believe? Mental laziness, I think.

Cant agree with Mental Laziness in that implies no thought or point view instead of focused on one point of view.

"I have been to churches and attended services ranging from Baptist, Presbyterian, Russian Orthodox, Coptic and others, plus synagogues and mosques all over the world. I have gone to Bible studies when my brother became a "born again Christian" and have read widely about comparative religions and studied them from an anthropological viewpoint. And, of course, I have read, comprehended and participated in science. I have helped edit and index a peer-reviewed scientific journal and spent one month deep in the rain forest of French Guiana at a scientific research station and have a degree while maintaining a G.P.A. in the top three percent of the college. My life experience has told me that religions, all of them, are based on fables, fairy tales and mythology and that is why there are so many of them. The contradiction should be obvious. The "holier than thou" attitude or "my religion is better than your religion," speak for themselves. I'll admit that I am an atheist, but it wasn't because I didn't examine, explore or probe into all alternatives." Quoted from one of my earlier posts.

If an individual wants to pick from one of the countless varieties of religions, cults or creeds and then worship their diety, dieties or idols, go ahead. I, personally have never seen any evidence after over 50 years on this planet to lead me to believe in ANY supernatural being, God or anything of the sort. I certainly won't interfere with anyone's right to do so.