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bee
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Hi all, good elf, RC, Confused2

Can we, directly relate hot and cold (cosmic) to positive and negative(atomic), taking into consideration the density/size of the mass?

Forces propagating at the speed of light, what is their refreshment rate/oscillation pulse rate per/sec?



Is the below impossible ?

The darker the shades the more force interactions.

Two forces from nucleus sun, white = EM, Black = G.
inner nucleus = - white + black = darker grey
outer nucleus = - black + white = lighter grey (only an extension, no third force)

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I can't upload this image! Can someone help?, error ="Sorry, dynamic pages in the [IMG] tags are not allowed"


Formulated calculation property needed, like binary, “no, no, no”, like +1/0/-1 and an everything in-between possible combination wave in space.

+1 = EM (could EM be caused by heat oscillation in space????)

0 = Starting space wave(Wave to respected space dimension, contains EM, G waves from above dimension. Can be from +1 to -1)

-1 = G

Are the bubbles in space are made of EM, G waves?


Hi confused2,
RE: Black holes

I am 2 confused to give u an answer, but I'll give it a crash!
Sounds good!

Objects atomic matter structure loses all EM only G. Constricts all orbits and becomes like super-conductive)

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Posted: Dec 11 2005, 03:24 PM


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Hi bee,

Thanks for the e-mail wake-up call. It would be best to log in when you post because unless you log in the posts are not attributed to you personally (even if you sign it as "bee"). Notice that your name is "red"... that is not good because you are not being attributed what you are posting. I had a look and you have only 4 or 5 posts attributed to you personally (in total) and I know you have done a lot more than that. If they are not posted when you are logged in it is hard to find.

Now what you have written... are you saying that large "cosmic" phenomena might have "temperature" associated with them... and "small" ... atomic or sub-atomic phenomena have "charge" related to them as a sort of perception of "scale"??? as seen from the "human" scale of perception? Personally I do not go for it because we can see both of these phenomena in a normal room together. I can statically charge up a Van der Graff Sphere with very high voltages and I can also heat up objects to a very high temperature. These appear to be very different outcomes. Obviously in both cases energy would be required... but energy is required for everything.

My guess is that static charge is topological and comes from the electromagnetic wave wrapped just right "exposes" the charge on the outside of a "ball".
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You can get the full story in this paper.
Is the electron a photon with Toroidal Topology?
I think that these guys are right on the money but I think that it has too few dimensions... no matter. I hope you see that this needs Adobe Postscript Viewer to read it when you try to load it?

On the other hand temperature is is just an increase in the lattice energy of matter and is probably a fairly good explanation. Obviously it does have a quantum basis as well by emitting light.

I may have missed the point. E-mail me again if I have... or use the PM feature.

The next point is you can't just load up an image from your hard disk... it is a security thing. Next thing you know people would flood the site with porn. It is just the nature of humans to be idiots. Usually your ISP will allow you to have a private web page (or two) up to a small maximum size. This is traceable to you so you need to be careful what you put there but you can use a program like "filezilla" (freeware) and (using your login to your ISP) you can make a couple of web pages using simple editors, and transfer them there from your hard disk to your area on their server. You really don't need to even put the image in a web page... just use the URL for the image and use the "IMG" button above the editor window to "embed" that ISP location they give you with a "slash" plus the file name on the end. There are a number of preferred filetypes... use only jpg/png/gif do not use bmp or other formats. Usually you can convert files from one type to another with good programs such as Xnview (freeware).

This is obviously the only way when you need your own illustration. Go to a few posts where you see the sort of thing you need to do and (when logged in) click on "Quote" and you will be able to view the code. You don't need to actually post... just use the back arrow on your browser.

Good to see you thinking and making a contribution... remember to log in though.

At the moment I and yquantum are discussing mass (and therefore gravity) on a different thread here...
Particles have mass, HOW?, Higgs or ?
You may like to look over there and perhaps join in. We are like "bees" too... zipping around and visiting many threads... he he he!

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Posted: Apr 8 2006, 02:18 AM


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I discovered what gravity is. I published such on BBC open forums http://www.open2.net/forum/forum.jspa?forumID=10 . Gravity is atomic attraction. The atom is made of a nucleus and electrons spinning around it. The solar system operates exactly as a tiny atom.
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What does gravity consist of?

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Posted: Aug 25 2006, 02:08 AM


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What does gravity consist of?


Graviton particles. tongue.gif


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Hi, All,

Gravity is depending to mass. Shall we solve what is mass first?

From pair production and annihilation processes, we understand that mass and photon can be interchanged. From the very early scientists, they discover something and named them as magnetic and electric (M&E). Then, Faraday's law of induction and maxwell's law of induction were created. The four laws of electromagnetism were introduced. Then, maxwell and his magnetron shows that EM wave is made up of the M&E components. The rate of change of flux of magnetic produces electric and the rate of change of flux of electric produces magnetic. EM wave is in the form of balance of these two components. Therefore, EM wave is neutral in charge and magnetic and both components are prependicular to each other. Due to this nature, the EM wave is traveling at the speed of light, which in relativity, it is the time zero. The time zero to me means the time at the end and the begining moment of the Universe.

The speed of light is related and preset during the big bang of the Universe. At the ending of the Universe, the photon is the immortal substance in the Universe. Therefore, I named the photon as the kinetic-time-energy at time zero.

I have posted more and a quite complete descriptions about the photon in the link below.
http://www.greatians.com/physics/wave.htm

So, we have understand about EM wave or photon where they are made up of M&E components. Therefore, we can conclude that the ingredients of mass are the M&E components too.

We cannot touch or grab the sunlight, photon is not solid or stuffed. Mass is another form of photon. so, we can say that mass is not solid or stuffed too.

J.J. thomson had done an experiment by shooting alpha particles to a gold film, he found that most of the space are empty. Then, some of the alpha particles are reflected 180 degree and he concluded that the atom is constructed by nuclues and electron cloud. In this experiment he gave the perception that atom has a solid or stuffed nuclues. But this contradicts with the particle formed by photon.

Due to all these discrepancies and unresolved problem which one misleading theory creates more unresolved problems. I have posted more and quite complete descriptions about the mass in the link below.
http://www.greatians.com/physics/mass.htm

Where mass is made up of the M&E field. and how is the atom structure is also presented.

Then, what is gravity? Gravity is depending on mass. mass is made up of M&E components, therefore gravitational force is directly related to the M&E forces. I have posted a detail explanation about the gravitational force in the link below.
http://www.greatians.com/physics/universe/gravity.htm

People are talking about the curvature of gravity or the nett pressure of gravity. In the most fundamental way, the curvature can be dissected and explained in terms of the M&E field.

Particle is made up of the photon. Particle is another form of M&E field where the M&E fields are not perpendicular. an object is made up of many particles. Therefore, we can say that object is the superposition of the M&E field of many particles. The superposition of M&E field produces different pattern of M&E field which are not perpendicular. When photon enters into the different pattern of M&E field, the M&E components of photon will transform accordingly. The change of M&E components of the photon causes the photon to slow down and bend. Therefore, it is observed and explained that the photon is 'attracted' by the strong 'gravitational' force. Photon is massless, how can the massless photon applies in the mass dependent gravitational force equation?

Same principle applies to the black hole. Black hole is the product of the thermonuclear fusion process. 4 hydrogen atom become 1 helium atom and so on. Where more atoms become less atoms and finally, many atoms become one single huge atom. Therefore, black hole is a super giant atom. Different size of stars produce different kind of black hole. in general, a black hole is a super giant atom or a mass. Again, mass possesses different pattern of M&E field which is not perpendicular. Therefore, when light passes through the horizon of black hole, the light is bent into the black hole due to the M&E field. it is observed that the light is 'attracted' by the 'gravitational force'.

This process is similar to the pair production process where the gamma photon is 'attracted' by the hydrogen atom and produces electron and positron.

Actually, I have posted quite a complete theory of everything in the website below.
http://www.greatians.com/physics.htm
It is recommended that you shall refresh and empty your mind with other theories so that you can understand better the theory of everything. You will find that all the things happen in this universe are inter-related.

This is an alternative theories which I would like share. Thank you.

Regards,
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QUOTE (Good Elf @ Aug 29 2005, 01:53 PM)
Hi dktekno, solidspin, a_ht and Asimov,



The "ultimate" answer to this question may not be "on the table" yet. I have said this before but though it "appears" that gravity is proportional to acceleration due to mass it is clearly not the case. The curvature of spacetime is the primary "motive" since even massless particles (photons) are affected by curvature and probability other "massless" particles as well. What this is saying is spacetime is curved due to acceleration. This is due to possibly mass or possibly "simple" acceleration as in a rocket when the engines are firing. We know the "identity" of these two types of "force" are identical in every way that can be tested. So far no quantization of gravity has been detected and indeed it has been shown that attempts to quantize it are incompatible with current mathematical techniques and "fundamentally" at odds with Einstein's Theory of Gravitation. This is the reason behind the alternative approach through String Theory.

for your understanding. You can remove the force of gravitation in every possible scenario by an appropriate transformation of the frame of acceleration into a "rest frame". Some of these frames are "inconvenient" to say the least but the possibility always exists showing that there are There is something I contribute to the argument of preferred frames where the "force" of acceleration disappears. For instance if you jump off a building the force of gravity literally disappears. In your vicinity spacetime is now flat... literally. The relative motion around you is not due to "force " on you but the impending "geodesic" path you are taking will probably smack you into the ground where force will surely catch up to you.

Remember to measure a "force" you will need to completely understand the Principle of Equivalence where inertial and gravitational forces are said to be equivalent. What it effectively says is the force of gravity you feel inside an elevator is identical in all respects to the force of acceleration due to gravity. Cut the elevator cable and there will be no force on you at all. Try it out by standing on a bathroom scales. This is the same situation as being in free fall around the Earth as in the International Space Station. The strange thing is and you must accept it as an experimentally proven fact is that light is affected in the same way.

Though you cannot "weigh" light and it would weigh nothing if you could find some way to do it. Light will follow the same path in spacetime as a material object traveling at the speed of light provided it was massless. That is gobbledygook but it is verifiable as an experiment. So while gravity cannot be "shielded" (apparently) it can be "removed" by a suitable transformation of the frame of reference. This would only occur if gravity is a pseudo-force and not a true force at all.

The next point I would like to state is that there is only one rest frame in orbit around the Earth where it is truly at rest this is in "geostationary" orbit. When there is differential movement between the surface of the earth and an object in orbit there is a higher order effect that can result in "inertial frame dragging" on the object. What this tends to do is change the orientation of an axis of rotation and in the case of a gyroscope causes the axis to precess around this extra "apparent" component of gravity (acceleration). Think of gravity on the surface of the Earth "undulating" in a sine wave as you travel above the equator due to changes in density or mass below the object in orbit. There is a tendency for this gear-toothed wave of gravity peaks and wells to slightly drag the object in orbit above the earth around in the direction of the disturbance as if the "teeth had some invisible grip on the object. If gravity responds "perfectly" this undulation would not have any tangential effect at all but this effect has been predicted and has been seen in some preliminary examples. Gravity Probe B is currently testing this effect to a high level of precision.

Alternatively the curvature of spacetime can be used to "tow" particles around in spacetime like a man with a dog on a leash or tidbit of food, always staying ahead, causing the dog to follow.

Both these effects indicate how the velocity of propagation of light and gravity leads to slight "imbalances" in the general effect. Obviously if gravity acted with infinite speed this effect would not appear.

Now to think further about the nature of gravity at the level of the quantum. It could be there are levels of quantization at that scale. What if gravity is purely a pseudo-force and is the result of some acceleration in the "bulk" or even in higher spaces. We also know that gravity is dependent on the primary existence of mass. That is the curvature of spacetime depends on the property of mass. Consider that fact that photons that have no mass are not able in themselves to "bend" spacetime at all. That mass is necessary to curve spacetime. This cannot be true since we have the principle of Equivalence. We see mass curving spacetime and this is equivalent to acceleration. Well the converse must also be true that acceleration must be the source of mass which in turn curves spacetime. This is not explicitly stated in the literature but if "equivalence" really means what I and the rest of the world thinks it is it must be true.

I will state this again... that the Corollary of Einstein's Principle of Equivalence of accelerated frames of reference or the equivalence of inertial and gravitational force implies that the curvature of spacetime usually reserved for the provenance of "mass" also means that acceleration is the "source" of mass. Think about that.

This must also mean that mass in all things is the result of some continuous acceleration that is invisible to us. It is the inevitable consequence of Einstein's General Theory of Relativity and it's Principle of Equivalence. We have already established that Einstein stated that Gravity is the same as acceleration so once again acceleration is linked to gravity too. Now we have also linked acceleration to mass.... at least logically.

The conclusion now is that mass is also a pseudo-property like gravity due to a property of "intrinsic" acceleration. We know mass is not a vector like acceleration so as I have mentioned before in previous posts, mass is more likely to be a tensor of rank 3. However since we have demonstrated that mass is dependent on acceleration it must also depend on the second derivative of time (acceleration) so it will have a hidden dimension of "time". Hence actually a tensor of rank 4.

This is evidence for a higher dimensional explanation for mass since this acceleration is not seen in our three dimensional space but must manifest in "higher dimensions". If anyone would like to comment intelligently please do. I would appreciate that.

Cheers

Hi Good elf

When people talk of gravity, they neglect . Total collapse.

if gravity was singular in it's direction , there would be nothing to prevent this

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You can remove the force of gravitation in every possible scenario by an appropriate transformation of the frame of acceleration into a "rest frame"


LOL

I didn't read any more.

with a stroke of the mighty pen, gravity is removed

I do not adhere to GR and all the BS that goes with it.

Gravity is the resultant force due to magnetic and electric accelerations, expressed in field spin around matter. Space is not curved, but field spin is.


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QUOTE (dktekno @ Aug 23 2005, 11:28 AM)
We often hear that gravity is curvature of space-time.

But how does gravity look like/act at the very smallest lengthes of the universe?
Can we quantisize the gravity? If yes, then what does it consist of?

The contents of spacetime are warped by gravity. I am not sure there is a very smallest length of the universe. The gravity on the surface of the Earth is approximately 1 g. It is likely the inverse of the forces that bind subatomic particles.

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WHAT IS THE UNIVERSE ?
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QUOTE (mott.carl @ Dec 28 2007, 03:18 AM)
WHAT IS THE UNIVERSE ?

The Universe is the Holy Body of Jesus Christ from which all things were made.



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QUOTE (PJParent001 @ Dec 28 2007, 10:42 AM)
The Universe is the Holy Body of Jesus Christ from which all things were made.

This is exactly why you get negged. dry.gif

How can you possibly post inane statements such as this and earn respect?



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R. E. S. P. E. C. T. ?

Fair question... um... personal values... yup, that would be it. I understand the things I say are words used to express thoughtfeelings. In a secular world it is understandable the things I say may or may not resonate well with some, however I choose not to trade approval from others for what I know to be the Truth.

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Reality is what can be seen, and shown to other people, or described to people in a way that they can see it for themselves. Shown to and seen by, a number of people in a number of times and places because one person may misperceive what he sees. Reality is not an idea, not a thoughtfeeling however certain you may feel about your ideas.
Obviously, Jesus Christ is not real.

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