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Posted: Aug 28 2008, 06:35 PM


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QUOTE (bm1957 @ Aug 28 2008, 07:23 AM)
Awww, pawww littewl Ub got outwitted by a 13 year old

What's that? You don't like it being pointed out that you're behaving like a kid, so you respond by saying I am a kid?

Ahem... "I'm made of rubber and you're made of glue; anything you say bounces off me and sticks to you."

I thought you were trying demonstrate how you do have a scientific argument, not prove that all you have is rhetoric!

Says the little one who's provided nothing but immature rhetoric.


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Posted: Aug 28 2008, 07:22 PM


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QUOTE (ubavontuba @ Aug 29 2008, 06:20 AM)
Please, I insist. I believe in giving credit where it's due. You said it, not I. Therefore you should have the credit for it.

Liar.


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QUOTE (ubavontuba @ Aug 29 2008, 06:14 AM)
This isn't even an argument.

Disingenous lie.

I was clarifying my comments, seeing as how you seem to be having trouble with reading comprehension.


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QUOTE (ubavontuba @ Aug 29 2008, 06:23 AM)
This is an outright lie.

No it isn't.

Of course, if it is, then i'm sure you'll be able to link to a post of yours where you prove, with math, that another of my calculations is wrong, or link to a post of yours where you provide a reference that contains more accurate data then what I have used in my calculations - followed be my ignoring.

Oh wait, you can't, because at no time have you attempted any of this.

I've asked you several times to provide more accurate information or alternative figures to what I have been using - you've refused.

I asked you several times to show me which step was wrong, or post correct numbers - you refused.

Therefore, the only outright lie is yours.


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Posted: Aug 28 2008, 07:33 PM


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Thankfully "u" will be one crank who, in the course of time, will be shown to be utterly wrong. And not for being on the "wrong side of the question" --- since there is no dishonor in that --- but for being so unscientific and purely argumentative. And for being entirely unskilled even at that.


Just a few more weeks ...

Until then, why not just stop feeding this troll?
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Looks like Roessler has filed a lawsuit...

http://bigsciencenews.blogspot.com/2008/08...n-of-human.html
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Still no bosenova


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Posted: Aug 29 2008, 12:20 AM


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Talk about brain dead! The European Court of Human Rights isn't going to do anything against CERN, since isn't a State. It's likely going to take a year before telling the applicants that they failed to file appropriately.

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What conditions do I have to satisfy to lodge an application?
 
What are the conditions relating to me personally?

You do not need to be a national of one of States bound by the Convention. The violation you are complaining of must simply have been committed by one of those States within its “jurisdiction”, which usually means within its territory.
[Ed: CERN is outside of Swiss or French jurisdiction]
You can be a private individual or a legal entity such as a company or association.
You must have directly and personally been the victim of the violation you are alleging. [Ed: Since Roessler is still alive, obviously that right has not been violated, yet. It is unclear what right of Roessler's has been actually violated and I would love to see the complaint. For example, the right to life is not an absolute one for the ECHR, but limited to intentional death as a direct action of States. Where in the LHC official documentation is it designed to kill?] You cannot make a general complaint about a law or a measure, for example because it seems unfair; [Ed: See! ubavontuba does not have a right to be taken seriously. The court says so!] nor can you complain on behalf of other people (unless they are clearly identified and you are their official representative).

Are there any procedures that must be followed beforehand in the national courts? Yes. You must have used all the remedies in the State concerned that might have been able to redress the situation you are complaining about (usually, this will mean an application to the appropriate court, followed by an appeal, where applicable, and even a further appeal to a higher court such as the supreme court or constitutional court, if there is one). [Ed. Kiss of death to these Johnny-come-latelys.]
It is not enough merely to make use of these remedies. In so doing, you must also have actually raised your complaints (that is, the substance of the Convention violations you are alleging). [Ed. This also means you can't change your story every 2 weeks as you learn particle physics.]


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Posted: Aug 29 2008, 01:09 AM


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What is a bosenova? Is it a threat, or just Roessler demonstrating his ignorance?
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QUOTE (Ski @ Aug 29 2008, 01:09 PM)
What is a bosenova? Is it a threat, or just Roessler demonstrating his ignorance?


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Posted: Aug 29 2008, 06:30 AM


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Aha. Here is the text of the complaint. It is based, however, not on a violation of human rights, so will not be heard by the court. There is also no record that they they, as required by paragraph 1(h) of the cited court rule 47, exhausted, or even used, the legal process in all (or any) of the States they are suing, which is another reason to suspect that this will not be heard by the court.

http://lhc-concern.info/wp-content/uploads...rn-volltext.PDF

Rules of the court: http://www.echr.coe.int/NR/rdonlyres/D1EB3...ulesOfCourt.pdf


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QUOTE (Trippy @ Aug 29 2008, 01:25 AM)
Bosenova on Wiki

Ah, I heard about this. Is there any threat of a bosenova at the LHC? I'm assuming it'd be more ofa local threat?
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Well, "local" in that it is not going to affect anyone in the U.S. and "threat" in the sense that it is another of these scenarios that only sound plausible to non-physicists. It's as basic as the difference between even and odd. It's roughly equal to comparing physics phenomena inside your refrigerator with physics inside a star.

http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/bosenova.htm

Helium-4 is non-magnetic (even numbers of protons, even number of neutrons, even number of electrons), liquid, and clumps together from isotropic van der Waals forces as a superfluid due to low temperature from 2.1768 K all the way down to zero. Rubidium-85 is magnetic, clumps together in a special trap made of external photons (including magnetic fields) as a gas at 0.000000003 K.

http://physics.aps.org/articles/v1/13

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QUOTE (rpenner @ Aug 30 2008, 02:48 AM)
Well, "local" in that it is not going to affect anyone in the U.S. and "threat" in the sense that it is another of these scenarios that only sound plausible to non-physicists. It's as basic as the difference between even and odd. It's roughly equal to comparing physics phenomena inside your refrigerator with physics inside a star.

http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/bosenova.htm

Helium-4 is non-magnetic (even numbers of protons, even number of neutrons, even number of electrons), liquid, and clumps together from isotropic van der Waals forces as a superfluid due to low temperature from 2.1768 K all the way down to zero. Rubidium-85 is magnetic, clumps together in a special trap made of external photons (including magnetic fields) as a gas at 0.000000003 K.

http://physics.aps.org/articles/v1/13

I knew there was another part of the reason why WE STILL HAVEN'T HEARD A BOSENOVA.


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Posted: Aug 30 2008, 06:49 AM


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QUOTE (Trippy @ Aug 28 2008, 07:22 PM)
Liar.

Not at all, I'm absolutely serious. You deserve all the credit for stating:
    QUOTE Trippy @ Aug 23 2008, 10:41 AM
    "...the 'lack' of neutron stars constitutes proof that dark matter is made of micro black holes and that the micro black holes are stable and that they're capable of consuming a neutron star, in it's entirety, over short time frames."
Personally, I wouldn't go so far as to say it constitutes "proof." But it certainly may be indicative.


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