a-temporal axiom on gravitation:
a physical entity can attract two material objects only when having direct contact with them

there is no possibility for a physical entity to attract two objects without having direct contact with them

this means that no physical entity can attract two material objects by moving between them

thats why gravitational wave theory is wrong: gravitational wave that moves from sun to the earth can not keep them together

physical entity that keeps together sun and earth can not travel between them, it has to be in a direct contact with Sun and the earth

the only physical entity that is in direct contact with sun and earth is space
must be space that keeps together sun and earth

so gravity acts in space not between material objects
gravity keeps together QS that build up cosmic space

more mass more space is dense
more space is dense stronger gravitational force

gravity is a non propagating force that keeps together QS of a-temporal space
gravity is a-temporal in sense that no motion of particle or wave in a-temporal space is needed for gravity to act
phisical time is motion of bodies and particles into a-temporal space

see more:
http://forum.physorg.com/index.php?showtopic=4943

This post has been edited by amrit on Jul 15 2006, 03:01 PM

It's evident, you're believing, the gravitational waves are something like gravitons or simmilar....

But the purpose of gravitational waves was never to keep the Sun and Earth together.. Why do you think so?

all physicist think so
only me no
i do not think GW exist at all

please comment

a-temporal axiom on gravitation:
a physical entity can attract two material objects only when having direct contact with themthere is no possibility for a physical entity to attract two objects without having direct contact with them
this means that no physical entity can attract two material objects by moving between them

This post has been edited by amrit on Jul 15 2006, 04:54 PM

gravity is not a magic thing
it follows reason

I think you're right amrit. The lack of a fundamental time has serious implications for gravity. I'm still wrestling with them. But I'm not sure "space is denser" is the right explanation.

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Can we make this a universal axiom of 'Non-Existence of Gravity'.

The entire concept of gravitational physics was and is a great blender of human findings.

Newton bluntly declared the existence of gravity as soon as an apple fell off the tree without explaining the origination of the energy. Could there be a scientist who stopped thinking not more than falling of an apple?

By the universal law of gravitation 'every object in the universe attracts every other object in the universe' which contradicts the big bang theory and the theory of expanding universe. If universal law of gravitation was true then the space wouldn't be so vast instead would have only one big object in the center/somewhere as all the objects by now should have attracted each other.

And moon wouldn't be still hanging out there in space.

Science could have been modernized but it cannot explain even the simple contradictions like the above two and also cannot explain it in a form that a layman can understand. Good science is that that has no flaws and proved from head to toe.

Scientific communities wouldn't encourage these questions or newer ideas as they would stumble the entire formation of physics and the fame of their fascinating physicists.

With this blind fold, the herds are always driven with text book physics/science rather than encouraging self interested thinking/discovering minds. And for another century there will be more theories based on the illusional topic gravitation rather than trying to see the reciprocal ideas or proving gravity in the first hand.

Thanks for this opportunity.

i think gravity is a non propagating force
exists into space itself
stellar objects curves space and curvature generates gravity

matter - curvature of space - gravity

no particles or waves move between moon and earth in order to keep them
together, so in this sense gravitation is a-temporal

about my idea that time is movement into a-temporal space I wrote a lot here

Does anyone else remember that gravitational waves were detected when the light from a nova arrived, an event that occurred within the last decade?

I think that was neutrinos, not GWs, starting in 1987

http://hep.bu.edu/~superk/gc.html
http://www.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp/koshiba/kaisetu_e.html

Despite the title:
http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0307101
"Detection of a close supernova gravitational wave burst in a network of interferometers, neutrino and optical detectors" Astropart.Phys. 21 (2004) 201-221
is a planned experiment, not an actual result, which may have resulted in some confusion.

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Ok! I see somebody stuck with the same question of last decade gravitational wave from a nova.

Now, can we apply some common sense to science please. Take a cup of water and a straw. Without immersing the straw in the water keep it just above it and blow air on it. You can see small waves forming from the centre and is pushed towards the edge of the cup. In the same way light particles are only pushed out from the star outside into the space. So how can someone detect gravitons in space from a nova, isn't it the pushing or the ejecting force that one experiences out in the space instead of the so called gravitons. Remember! even light cannot escape the black hole (now, if you need to know what is a blackhole whether it is gravity or not, my answer is NO!).

So gravitons cannot be detected anywhere in space except in the case of the returning waves similar to the waves that return into the sea from the shore.

Still skeptical?! then think about the stars themselves. Can light escape a star if it has gravitation?

yes this GW are like a ghost
people see it all over
with no experimental evidence

Amrit,

Why would space be more dense? And how would this increase in density cause an attractive force we call gravity?

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Hi! Amrit, Zephire, Farsight, Cactus, rpenner & 4Dguy,

my salute to you all science explorers. This thread was so live to get me registered in the forum. Hope will have some exciting science quest!

KKris,

Welcome newbie, It always good to get a possible fresh perspective.

What if dimensions can be considered to move just as they are to curve?

Sir Roger Penrose thinks so.

Time is proven as real because it can slow down ami.

MITCH RAEMSCH -- LIGHT FALLS --